Tasha1,

Thank you. The admission that you were trying to use countermeasures to beat the test will be damning. I don't see any way that you will end up being hired by this agency, but you can (and should) still write a letter explaining what you've mentioned here: that you wrote the letter under duress, and that you were not, in fact, attempting to beat the polygraph. Your letter will help to document what actually happened and may help if your file is ever shared with any other agency.

It should be obvious to any polygraph operator that nervous foot tapping is not a polygraph countermeasure. What this operator did to you is truly outrageous, and it shouldn't go unchallenged.

I would be interested to learn more about the name of the agency and polygraph operator involved, if you don't mind sharing those details. You might not want to post such detail on a public message board at this time, but you can reach me privately by e-mail to antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com.

No offense taken. Thanks for the help.
From what I remember again I was under duress. I wrote what he asked of me as far as I admitted guilt and apologized. 
I believe it was like
I admit I was trying to use counter measures to beat the test and apologize to whom it may concern. (now keep in mind he told me what to write and this was the only way I could continue with the process.) Also I wrote that I watched a couple of utube videos on how to prepare for the text not on how to beat it. I also wrote that I was tapping my foot due to nervousness not trying to beat or cheat the test. 
The entire statement kind of contradicted it self.
I hope this explains.

Tasha1,

Please take no offense, as none is intended, but I didn't ask what your polygraph operator told you to write, but rather what you wrote. It is the latter that is of crucial importance in advising you further.

He told me to admit my cheating and apologize to the Dept.
However I also stated that I wasn't trying to cheat I was simply trying to relax.

Also does any know know if it is possible to rescind a false statement made under duress.

Tasha1,

What did you write in your coerced "apology letter?"

I was told I failed because I was tapping my foot and it was considered counter measures. Now I explained to the instructor it was simply a nervous twice nothing more. Then he began to give me the third degree about how he's been doing this a long time and seen a lot of things and he knows what he saw. I continued to plead my case by telling him I'm nervous and it was nothing of the sort. Then he began to pressure me into believing that my only chances to continue was to write an apology letter to the  Dept. and ask for forgiveness. So I did under duress. Which at the end I told him I still believe I did nothing wrong. It was the last step in the process and was nervous. At the end he said he was writing a report about me trying to use counter measures to beat the test and I insisted that he was wrong it was a nervous twitch and nothing more.    I'm trying to request a retest but not sure if they will. 
   
If anybody has any advise that would help I would be grateful...

quickfix wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:


ASS CLOWN, he was autogenic breathing to calm down his nervousness AS THE RECRUITER TOLD HIM TO.

It's NORMAL.

He wanted to appear non combative/argumentative when challenged by the polographer and told him what he wanted to hear, as any good natured person would do in the situation. 

It's their house, be respectful, as should YOU.

Golden sticker keyboard warrior. I bet you're a punk in real life who asserts their "superiority" over others on this forum. Real tough guy. I'm not impressed.  

Evan S wrote on Jun 8^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:


Likewise, the CIA, NRO, NSA, etc. aren't going away anytime soon either.
As long as we continue in the delusional mentality that such agencies are "necessary" to "protect" us,
the polygraph will remain.

The Intelligence Community and the polygraph are but two nefarious components of a culture of secrecy and unaccountability.

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How do you feel about gambling?  Do you play the lottery?  With the poly there's always a chance that you might pass.

What have you got to lose?  Is it a lot of labor and trouble to apply again?  You won't be any worse off after two rejections than you are after one.

Why do you want to work for the CBP?  Do you think you would really enjoy being a jack-booted thug?  Another option might be the TSA, although they specialize in jack-booting and are not really very thuggy.

Aunty could give better advice if she knew you better.

I  think that Mr. Quickfix may have been the same piece of work that was trolling me on the "Federal Soup" forum a while back.

Very defensive on all aspects of the federal BI process!

Wandersmann wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 4:56pm:


He's probably a bored Intelligence Community reject  or retiree with nothing else to do!

Guys I am dying here I took a ploy a year ago and failed it because they think I am some huge drug head which is far from the truth!!! I took steroids a few time in high school and college. I told the truth and they said I was lying. Now I have never done drugs beyond that but they don't believe it. This was for CBP now I want to apply for a deportation officer position they just opened up. Do you guys think I am flagged by them or should I give it a second chance. Again I never received a letter explaining why I failed they just e-mailed me saying I was un suitable for the CBP officer position. I would truly apperciate some feed back on this.

thanks,

Tom

quickfix wrote on Oct 26^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:


I've got a better example of justice - Jeffery Deskovic, awarded 54 million dollars after making a false confession due to coercion and mistreatment by a police polygraph examiner.   Wait til starving attorneys realize the fraud involved in polygraph science.  The polygraph industry's 4 billion dollar a year scam will make great compensation for lots of innocent victims.   

quickfix wrote on Oct 26^th, 2015 at 7:11pm:


See? I told you doesn't know.

-Aunty.

Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:


Doug Williams sentenced to 2 years in prison.  How's that for justice!

quickfix wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:


I forgot to mention Quickfix, I believe your comment reflected age discrimination against me.  All that matters is that I am offended and therefore you are guilty.  You need to take another one of those on-line EEO courses that the government mandates you take. 

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You'll have to forgive Quickfix -- logic is punishable by electroshock on his planet.

He is one of those unfortunates who loves to get into an argument but has only a cargo-cult grasp of what an argument is, so all he can do is sort of make loud argument-like noises.  Don't try to engage him on the subject of justice, because he doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Don't believe me?  Allow Aunty to demonstrate.

Hey, Quickfix!  What does "justice" mean?

quickfix wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:


Another childish ad hominem response.  I love it !  Keep 'em coming Quickfix.  You provide the visitors to this site real insight into the mentality of a government polygraph examiner.  You are the best thing that ever happened to the anti-polygraph cause.

Wandersmann wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:


When you served?  When was that?  Before J. Edgar Hoover?   

quickfix wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:


Nope, you're wrong.  You don't have the same First Amendment rights.  While you were sleeping in that boring legal class before you got your badge they told you that you give up some of your rights in this profession (law enforcement, not polygraph).  When I served, if a real investigator publicly taunted a subject about going to jail and delighted in his misery, like you have done, he would have been fired.  That your superiors are in cahoots doesn't surprise me.  That's how lynch mobs and kangaroo courts operate.  The fact that you are trolling these sites mean you know you are involved in a scam and you're trying to protect it at all costs.  If someone was attacking the science behind fingerprints and DNA, those professionals wouldn't even give it a second thought because they know beyond a doubt their science is real.   You and your polygraph thugs are enjoying the fruits of corruption but some day you will be relegated to the same historical trash heap as the idiots that burned witches in Salem. 

xenonman wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 3:56am:


Federal employees have the same First Amendment rights as anyone else.  Any opinions expressed on this website are my own, and not as a U.S. government official.  Amazing how a former government employee can be so dim-witted as to not know anything about freedom of speech.  And BTW, my superiors know I surf this site and make comments.  They too, are familiar with the First Amendment.

xenonman wrote on Oct 25^th, 2015 at 3:56am:


Neither are you.  A CIA wannabe-who-never-was.

And Aussie:  did the dingo eat your baby?

Wandersmann wrote on Oct 24^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:


From what I've gleaned from my years of watching these boards, just the fact that he is accessing an anti-polygraph forum, and one with so many intelligence community rejects as its denizens, could in itself place his continued federal employable in considerable jeopardy!
Oh well, he's no great loss I'd say!

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Loved your post Australian.  I have been wondering why we haven't heard from Quickfix in awhile.  It dawned on me recently that Quickfix has identified himself (anonymously) as a US Government official.  Thus, when he speaks as he does on this site he is representing the US Government.  Having been a US Government official myself I know that speaking on behalf of the Government without proper authorization can get a person fired, especially when using vulgar or obscene language.  Despite the fact that the polygraph folks in the government make up the rules as they go and no one in authority has the moral courage to check them, perhaps it is slowly dawning on Quickfix that he might be playing with fire.

Having just stumbled upon this website today, I must admit to total incredulity at this thread.  Not in relation to the original poster, but regarding the jerk 'Quickfix' who appears to figure that you're guilty until proven innocent as well as apparently believing in 'technology' that has not only been proven totally unreliable but is not trusted almost anywhere in the world, with the exception of the US.

'Quickfix', your pseudonym suits.  Do you ever have trouble looking in the mirror when you get home from the daily grind of using fake technology to elicit fake responses to fake questions, or are you really a 'true believer'?  Do you also believe in Scientology's 'E-meter', which is allegedly the same basic technology?  For that matter, why don't you just recommend torture?  It gets the same quality of results.  Although I suppose that would probably require another four day training course.

Have you heard of the scientific method?  The reason I am asking, is that what you have posted in this thread is so utterly anti-scientific (and in fact close to sociopathic) as to render your utterances totally valueless to this casual reader.

I would be interested to hear exactly what 'qualifications' are required for your chosen form of quackery.


P.S. to Administrator - apologies if I have broken your board's rules, or failed to maintain the standards that you apply here.  As stated at the beginning of my comment, I have just stumbled upon your site, and while I have not yet seen the rules I could not remain silent about the jerk and their obvious problems.  I did at least try to temper my language (although I assume a polygraph test administered by the jerk could easily be manipulated into saying "that's a lie").