Ex Member wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 3:45am:

You make Aunty blush and giggle and drop her pencil.

Ex Member wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 3:45am:

Well, I took it as more of an offhand remark than a moral position statement, and tried to respond in the same tone. 

Divided loyalty is a serious subject, though. Unless a person hides in a cave, his loyalty naturally gets stretched over his multiple associations and group memberships. And it can be very difficult to know what to do when your best friends are fighting each other, or when a family member is seriously antisocial, or when your country is visiting war on the wrong people for the wrong reasons. 

So Aunty also regrets the silly conversation, because to anyone who is currently entangled in such a loyalty dilemma, it probably wasn't very funny. 

Yeah, I see what you mean after I reread the post. It just kind of got my goat when she did that. But, true I do not know the whole story. I regret taking our conversation down that silly path. If the truth be known, Aunty is the poster I most respect on this forum.

Ex Member wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 3:25am:
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According to Barbara Wissler, her half-brother publicly attacked her first. (Of course we only have the one sentence in a longer post, but she did say it, so that's what I am responding to.)

Aunty, I am joking. I am not a mafioso. I just think that one should not publicly disparage a family member.

Maybe they will have better luck than Carlo Alberto Dalla Chiesa.

Ex Member wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2017 at 4:15am:

Yes, but who is the knife for? Your brother when he has murdered an innocent, or the carabinieri when they come to arrest him?

When it comes to family Aunty, I live by a different code.

"Occhi aperti, mano sul coltello"

Ex Member wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 3:39pm:

Then you would be a vigilante. 

You do not have the authority to prosecute and sanction murderers, traitors, or other criminals. In most cases, if you punish a criminal yourself instead of reporting him to the authorities, you become an accessory. Society would probably understand, if the offense is not capital and not serious, but you'd have no legal defense and would be depending on judicial mercy. 

Aunty Agony wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 3:03pm:

Then you deal with it within your family. I would never publicly disparage a family member, even for murder. But, I would then go back home and kick his ass behind closed doors.

Ex Member wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:50am:

Loyalty to your country trumps loyalty to your family, if your family is treasonous and vile.

Ex Member wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:50am:


Yes, but I do admire her candor.

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You should be ashamed alright. Any problems you have with your brother should be between you and him. To go public and denigrate your own flesh and blood is over the top.

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Might make an ideal golfing buddy for Quickfix!

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I wonder why he left the CIA?  It appears as if he would have been an ideal employee there.   

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Rhymes with "bungle" !

Henry Mungle, I ashamed to admit, is my brother. Well, half brother, for he & I had different fathers.  Henry is a control freak and if he can not control a situation, it is deemed unhonest and doomed to fail. I am sorry that the people here have had their lives impacted by him. He has even tried to assassinate my integrity-all because I didn't do what he wanted me too. 

I could give all kinds of examples on how his behaviour has mucked up other people's lives, but this is not the forum for it. 
Just be grateful that you don't have to deal with him ever again!

Truly honest people are more likely to fail polygraphs simply because they often fail to respond appropriately to the control question. Hence, even though their test is actually inconclusive it is ruled as a fail.

Passing or failing often has nothing to do with the measured results of the test, but rather is up to the discretion of the test administrator.

In some of these cases, it sounds like the administrator was already prepped by whatever agency it was who asked them to run the test to fail you, regardless of the measurements of the test.

That's actually a common tactic; a great way to weed out certain individuals that they wished barred/removed.

In other cases a false positive is used as a means to break someone down into confessing all that they were allegedly hiding. I know this sounds contradictory, but the truth is that the tests don't measure lying, they merely measure stress. So if a test is inconclusive, they'll score it as a fail in order to pressure their victim into coming clean.

This is the examiner that had me falsly booted from the FBI Seattle office for terrorism, I spent 4 years in Afghanistan, he can crappity smack off. I now work minimum wage with a TS/SCI. Words cannot express....

This is my first time on this site and I have seen so many folks whose lives are being very negatively effected by what must certainly be called a "very questionable" evaluation method if not an outright failure. I will say that anyone posting should try and refrain from letting their (righteous) anger direct them towards ad hominem commentary. These polygraph administrators are contributing to the downfall of civil society and are saying we are all liars (ad hominem from their end) and I refuse to attack them in any way except what is factual. They are perverse in their actions and dishonest in their efforts to evoke honesty, disingenuous is too kind a word for them and their ilk. I think the idea of contacting our state and federal officials is a good idea, perhaps even contacting the "county of testing" board members as well. Good luck to everyone who has been so tarnished by the mendacity of this charlatan science.   

I had an experience with this fraud that was ALARMINGLY similar.  "Special" Agent Mungle is one of the biggest jokes I have encountered in my entire life.  He tries his hardest to intimidate you from the very start.  All I saw was a huge fatass that has no other skills and has to try and belittle others. 

By the way, Mr. Mungle, I can tell you are an alcoholic.  Nice booze nose you piece of crap.  I know you read this too.  You specifically said you do.  By the way, I like how you flash your badge and claim you are a "special" agent.  You are NOT the same type of special forces special.  Think of yourself more like Special Education special you fraud.

This piece of work tried to accuse me of also lying on my SF-86. Completely false, I went through that thing with a fine tooth comb.  Then he also tried to accuse me of serious crimes.  Completely false as well.  I have never even got in so much trouble as a speeding ticket.  I was completely truthful on everything and I was called a liar.  He tries to say he can "help me" if I confess.  Confess to what?  I had not lied!

If I had any advice of future people that get contacted by Mungle, refuse it!  If anything, request someone else!  Call IA and tell them you don't want him as a examiner.  There is more than one examiner at that office, believe me.

On another note, isn't our government in debt?  How much money are we wasting paying these polygraphers?  We could be saving MILLIONS to get rid of them!

firedup,

I am not surprised by your post. I'm certain they will not give up the charts because they don't want somebody like me critiquing them.

I'm not so versed on the FOIA, but think George had similar results. You may want to consider applying some political pressure like writing to your congressman and CC'ing the director of the office where you applied as well as the charlatan himself. They may still dig in their heels, but it will illuminate their shenanigans. Sparking the curiosity of an investigative reporter may also stir things up.

Stefano,

Just to follow up with you, I requested the results of my polygraph through the FOIA and received no response.  They will also not answer their phone.  I contacted Border Patrol Recruiting in Minneapolis and advised them of my situation and was told that there are no "2nd chances" with the polygraph, in addition to no appeal rights, and that any attempt to to obtain the results of my examination via Internal Affairs, FOIA, would be ignored.

I'm very frustrated to put it mildly.

Same thing happened to me back in 1997/1998 except for the US Secret Service.  I too received the letter of regret.  I am glad their ploy is being exposed.  I would love to join a class action lawsuit if it were possible.

Thanks Stefano.  I will request them.

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Firedup, why don't you try? Insist that you get the charts--why would they be immune to the law? Once obtained, I'll be happy to give them my scrutiny. I'm one person that will NOT B.S. you, rest assured.