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Posted by: Sergeant1107
Posted on: Apr 1st, 2007 at 12:47am
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It would be interesting if various agencies did start scrambling to see who may have passed someone who later admitted to lying on the polygraph test.

They should take exactly the same action they have always taken when someone says they told the truth and were disqualified, which is to say they should do nothing.

When someone reports that they told the truth and failed the polygraph supporters often shrug and offer one of the following excuses:
1. No test is perfect, but we catch lots of liars so the polygraph is good. 
2. The person who claims he was telling the truth was really lying on the test and is lying now, or not telling the complete truth, otherwise he would have passed.

Logically, if someone reports that they passed the polygraph while actively lying the polygraph supporters should offer the following:
1. No test is perfect, but usually when someone lies we catch them, so the polygraph is good.
2. The person who claims he lied was really telling the truth then, but is lying now.  Otherwise he would have failed.

In keeping with past practice the polygraph supporters should do nothing after the test is done, because they don't seem to like ever calling the polygraph's accuracy into question.

Unless, of course, they are ordered to, such as with what happened after Aldrich Ames was found to be a spy.  Then the polygraphers were ordered to go back and review his charts and, to no one's surprise, they discovered the original polygrapher had erred and the charts did in fact show deception.
Posted by: EosJupiter
Posted on: Mar 31st, 2007 at 8:57am
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Patriot2007,

First off let me say that I admire your guts for posting this. And it has provided much in the way of mind theatre as to how many polygraphers and Security folks you have running around the 3 letter agencies trying to figure out who you are and how you got through. My belief is you are the tip of the iceberg and many more without the fortitude to say something do this all the time. Much success in your job and service. I firmly believe that you will never again be intimidated by the cheap parlor trick that is a polygraph.  All the little polygraph lemmings running straight for the cliff !!!!

Regards ....
Posted by: Patriot2007
Posted on: Mar 30th, 2007 at 6:37am
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Well, it's official.  I've passed my polygraph and background checks.  And I've lied to those in charge and entirely manipulated our system because *I could*.   I trust you will not believe anything else I have to say from this point forward.  This is fair.   However your beliefs, what I'm saying here is absolutely true however and I encourage you to open your mind and consider my statements.

You see, I'm not vain, conceited nor do I have a hidden agenda.  I'm not a person who would harm others, or sabotage my country and my fellow Americans.  I am a citizen, born and raised in this country.  I have provided valuable services, time, blood sweat and tears for my country.

The point is that the process by which our Federal Intelligence Agencies screen candidates is flawed.  They know this, and yet every year hundreds or thousands of candidates who would give their lives to serve the USA are somehow blackballed and pushed aside based on voodoo practices.

I really hope this bites them in the ass one day.  To those of you on the inside reading this, I would not envy being you.  You know these facts, and yet daily your practices are flawed and you carry them out dutifully because you believe in the system.  But how can you?

And to my fellow test takers, everything George says on this site is completely solid.  Make no mistake that this information is valuable and correct and can help you avoid getting turned away for valuable employment.  You must literally lie about lying to avoid being marked.  And even then, in the best of possible scenarios, lady fate will decide her path and you may not be chosen to serve based on a random assessment by these junk scientists.

I just hope the 'terrorists' don't use this knowledge.  For shame.
 
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