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It can in the fact that a person with sleep apnea or other disorders make their breathing and heart beat inconsistent .Which in the long run would make it impossible to determine when and if the person was being truthful or not even with test questions . Best bet is for the other person demanding more from people they associate . Just don't associate with people that give them reason to question in the first place . Confront them in a calm and civil way on that action . Like if it's suspecting the person of cheating . Don't confront them on cheating confront them on the suspicious activity they do . Then the next time they start acting suspicious leaving them is appropriate . It's not healthy sitting at home worrying and stressing . People that care about people other than their self usually put in the effort to not cause stress in other people's life .

I am not a militant secularist, as long as they don't extrapolate any religion into their policies, I don't have a problem with a brief spiritual utterance at the beginning of a gathering. But, I dislike listening to sermons outside of a church. 

Although this does irk you, I would not recommend making secularization a chief element of your platform; it could backfire. It'd be better to make your changes in this arena with minimized fanfare once elected.

I am not a member of any organizations, I tend avoid putting myself into buckets.

Ark, one thing about APA seminars that has always struck me as odd is the event's solemn invocation, usually delivered by an older white guy, who, in a predictably ministerial baritone voice, makes a passionate appeal to God for wisdom and discernment for those in attendance.

One wonders why an assembly of forensic psychophysiologists dedicated to the practice of evidenced-based science needs to start their seminars with supplications to a supreme being.

My theory: In their heart of hearts, these people seek some measure of comfort by effectively asking for spiritual guidance -- or Divine Intervention -- in their practice of what they may fear (know?) is essentially little more than an elaborate guessing game.

Do you have any thoughts on the APA's rationale here, Ark? Do EE guys do similar things at their professional and educational events?

Honestly, I just don't have enough insight into the internal workings of the APA to provide meaningful input. I'm not a member, and could never bring myself to pay the $500 entry fee for the conventions.

I've read those Journal articles which have any quality (about 40%).

It is curious to hear that they scrubbed such a noble idea from the website, I cannot even speculate as to why.

Ex Member wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 1:56am:


I agree -- and, in my opinion, especially that as manifested by the self-proclaimed scientists who effectively run the APA.

Ark, speaking of arrogance, that reminds me... 

For decades, the APA stated as its cardinal goal this moral imperative: 

To serve the cause of truth with integrity, objectivity and fairness to all persons.

Last year, the illuminati who run the APA saw fit to shitcan that most noble ambition.

Do you have any theories as to why the APA leadership chose to take such a seemingly queer, backward and deleterious step?

Dan Mangan wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:49am:

I have perused the laboratory studies and given the claims of the Utah team due diligence. While they claim science, I say it's bunko. In a forensic situation, with much at stake, there is no way anyone can convince me that directed lies would establish any kind of diagnostic dichotomy with RQ's threatening the well being of the examinee.

The great and late John Dobson, the Side Walk Astronomer's reply to the big bang theory: "You are trying to tell me that nothing made something out of nothing?" 

Sometimes the arrogance of scientists is appalling.

Ark, what's your opinion of the directed-lie format?

Speaking primarily as a Backster-trained traditionalist at heart -- later heavily influenced by Matte -- I think the directed-lie method is bogus.

There's a big pissing match in my neck of the woods (New England) about the validity of the directed-lie polygraph "test".

Everyone who's anyone in the polygraph rackets monitors the A-P forums like bored housewives watch soap operas. Given that context, you are regarded as a star.

What say you about the directed lie "test"?

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Due to its deterioration of executive functions, Endocrine System disruption and Myotonia, I'd say the examiner made a bad decision to find such a person suitable.

What about a person who has Myotonic Muscular Dystrophy? symptoms appeared in 20's any now 52 and just failed test.

Ex Member wrote on Oct 18^th, 2014 at 9:09pm:



The calibre of many of the "guests" on AP sometimes shocks me!

Carolyn, I think the answer depends on whether or not the sleep apnea is untreated. If the person you are referring to religiously uses a CPAP, then I would say there would likely be no effect. However, untreated sleep apnea can cause all kinds of havoc in the body including impaired cognitive abilities. It would be an interesting study to conduct.

Only if you're sleeping during the test.

Can sleep apnea, which causes different breathing, effect the result of a polygraph result.  If so, what would be the factor.

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Polygraph "testing" has not been shown to work in people don't suffer from schizophrenia, let alone those who do. It's junk science. Turning to a polygraph operator in an attempt to divine the truth would be a complete waste of your money.

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May I recommend that you avoid contentious discussions with those suffering from schizophrenia? Surely there are more enriching pursuits available to you.

I know someone who is a schizophrenic. I suspected he was lying and he denied it. I said "let's do this the easy way then
. Split the cost of polygraph.  He says he can't pass due to schizophrenia.  I've researched some but don't understand.  Slums like deflecting to me.  Can you explain?

I don't know for sure, but as far as not testing pregnant woman I would think could be related to the baby's heartbeat. Plus, if they are far enough along and the baby is moving or kicking it could cause distraction or pain which would affect the results. I believe the cold would be because if your stuffed up, congested, or nose is running and you are trying to control those during the test it will alter breathing and possibly other vital signs. Chronic pain can affect results. An episode of pain changes your heart rate, breathing, blood pressure just as what I already mentioned. I'm not in the law field. I am strictly going on my nursing background and what I know about how those specific things affect a patient's vital signs.

i recently took a poly test and failed.. i told the truth and it didnt matter.  did the norm.. closed my eyes and took the 2 hour test.  im bipolar type 1.  does that have anything to do with it.. i did tell him i was bipolar and not on medications.  would that affect the outcome of the test and if so how?

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I'm disappointed.  Other than retcopper's response, none of our other resident polygraphers bothered to reply...

So here's my take on it. The CQT polygraph is based on the assumption (quite flawed in my opinion) that there will be an involuntary physiological response in one of the four channels measured by the machine when a person is lying. Any physical illness, condition, or mental defect that affects any of these channels can lead to false positives. Something like hypertension, which is quite common and undetected in a lot of people (hence it's name "the silent killer"), can adversely affect a person's readings especially in the heightened emotional arena of a polygrapher's office...

Retcopper's refusal to polygraph pregnant women is interesting, as it is a tacit admission that physical states can and do affect the outcome of the test. I ask why only pregnant women and the common cold? There are a plethora of diseases that affect the endocrine and central nervous systems. Why don't polygraphers worry about them also?

It seems to me that disease would be the primary threat to polygraph accuracy, why does very little of the literature explore it?

I'll open up the floor to both sides for debate...

EosJupiter wrote on Sep 27^th, 2006 at 11:50pm:


I know and other than retcopper's response, I'm somewhat disappointed. I'd address it but I'm tied up with work and school at the moment... 

When I get a free moment this weekend, I'll put my thoughts down...

Digithead,

Only one response to your questions. Didn't expect much more than nothing out of our friendly neighborhood polygraphers. 

RetCopper,

As TwoBlock said, your stock on this board with me went way up with your response and candor. 

Regards  ....

am convinced pre-existing medical conditions do affect polygraph tests. I took a pre-employment polygraph and failed. I have Hypertension, Diabetes, and sleep Apnea. These conditions are treated with daily medication and breathing machine which is used while I sleep. The medication for Hypertension and Diabetes does have an affect on blood pressure stability. Treatment for sleep Apnea has a drastic affect on rate of breathing. My breathing rate is abnormally lower than the average individual. During the test I was told several times my breathing was abnormal and accused of holding my breath during questions. When I coughed during a question every thing started really going down hill. The bottom line is, I told the truth to all the questions and failed the test. Maybe I am an isolated case, but physical and medical conditions factored into my failure. I was not told by my tester what questions or reason resulted in my failure. The pre test interview was useless.

Underlyingtruth:


Where you been?  Glad to see you back.  I ask the person if they are in any discomfort, especially if they tell me they are on medicine or tell me they have had an injury or recent illness I do not test any pregnant woman, regardless of how far they are along. 

Have a good day

retcopper wrote on Sep 20^th, 2006 at 3:46pm:


How does an examiner determine if an individual is not in too much discomfort to be tested?

Also, is it a general rule among examiners not to test pregnant people?  If so, how far along would one need to be before they could not be tested?  Does an examiner require verification of the pregnancy?   

I should have added - I will be gone to the left coast for a couple of weeks. Hve to work occasionally.