Angel,

There is not a dam thing they can do ... Stand your ground. It is your right to refuse the procedure. And continue to do so !! And do quote this website.

Regards ....

Just wanted to let everyone know the latest.  Almost 5 months later the cop has came to my house but I was not home and left her business card.  So i emailed her and she is still hounding me wanting to know if i will take it.. I just told her in my last email that I was not gonna take it and asked her what will happen if I refuse to take it.
Any ideas what they can do if i refuse it.

Hey just wanted to update everyone.  Since I took the advice of all the wonderful people on here I have not heard back fro the detective or anyone else from the PD.  I am so grateful that I found this site and everyone has help me to be a more educated person.   LOTS OF THANKS TO YOU ALL

ok i will do that.  I am sorry that it scares me so bad that I freak out.

angel52392003 wrote on Feb 8^th, 2006 at 11:39pm:


angel,

Please see my earlier reply to you (#10 in this message thread).

well guess what I got home from school today and the detective had called me again, wanting me to take that test  she just left a message on my machine and when i went to call her back she had done left for the day.
This is all just making me a nervous wreck,  I know i dont want to take this test but I think I am to big of a chicken to tell a cop NO.   Any suggestions on how to go about doing that.

angel

I am supprised you got the call after so much time has passed. Just shows that they have no evidence against you and are trying to trap you. Just do as you have been instructed and you'll be ok. Your integrity is worth more than a 50/50 guess. As I have told you, if they want to push the case, they will have to appoint you an attorney.

well the detective finally called today but i couldnt talk because i had just got home from the dentist and had a tooth pulled she said she is gonna call back later.

thank you i am really glad that i found this site to

Angel,

Odds are you won't even hear from them. Especially since you know their  little CVSA is a scam. Again good going on finding this site. Its great to know it helped. Make sure you spread the word.

Regards .....

just to let everyone know it has been over a week and they still havent got in touch with me about the stupid test.

Look man, its exactly right when they told you that if they had anyting on you, they wouldn't be asking you to take the cvsa. And again right, that if you passed, they would still be on you because they know it doesn't prove anything. Tell them it is beneath you. Tell them to either charge you or get the hell out of your face. Then don't even think about it again.

Angel,

I can't resist saying this because it fits.  Looks like they lost another one to AntiPolygraph.org !!  (The Ditech commercial just fit so well) ...  good going on standing up to them and there junk device. 

Regards ...

just wanted to let everyone know that they still havent called me yet and they acted like they were in such a big hurry.

angel

Keep notes of your conversations (direct quotes,etc.) with the police and company personel. Date and time. Detailed notes are very important if one has to go to court.

I didn't know Arkansas employed the CVSA. I thought they were strictly polygraph. Doesn't supprise though. A lot of people there believe in magic.

You can email me from this website any time. I might be able to help you find a pro bono lawyer if needed. Arkansas is my home state. Haven't lived there since college but visit often.

Let us know the outcome.

OK i will tell them that.. THey are suppose to call me sometime with a day and time to take the test and I was gonna have to miss school and everything to take it.  When they call i will tell them exactly what has been referred to me and I will give them this website and your name.   
If you can think of anymore informatioon that would be helpful to me, PLEASE let me know.. Thank you so much..
Angel

Angel,

Also note that in none of the 50 United States can a person be forced to submit to any kind of lie detector "test" in a criminal investigation, and in none of them is a person's refusal to submit to such nonsense admissible as evidence in a court of law.

Angel,

You can explain to the police that you've learned that CVSA "testing" is completely without scientific basis, and that you are not about to have your honesty and integrity judged on the basis of such pseudoscientific nonsense. Feel free to refer them to AntiPolygraph.org, and to me personally.

So I should tell the police officer that I refuse to take the test even after I done said I would and when they ask me why what should I say is my reason..  The only reason I offered to pay it is because I have worked at a convience store in the past and everywhere i have worked they said if money comes up missing then it is your responsibility if it is on your shift.  But my boss said when it come up missing he had on tape the other girl messing with the safedrops and then going over and getting her purse and then messing with the drops again.  He said I had nothing to worry about.. So now why are they wanting me to take it..  I am so nervous.  All of everyones help is wonderful.  
I also wonder if the laws are different in Arkansas than in other states regarding refusing to take a Voice stress analysis

Angel

Listen to George. DON'T TAKE IT. Failing the test will do you more harm than telling them where to put their idiot device. If they had evidence against you, they wouldn't be asking you to take the test. Tell them to charge you with a crime or leave you alone. If they don't, then get a lawyer and sue them. Retract your offer to take care of the loss and let them know that you will fight them at what ever level they wish to take.

Dippityshurff,

Unfortunately, the Employee Polygraph Employment Act of 1988 excludes federal, state, and local government employees from its protections. AntiPolygraph.org supports passage of a Comprehensive Employee Polygraph Protection Act that would close this loophole.

angel52392003,

Do I understand you correctly that you offered to cover the missing $200 for your former employer? If so, that was a mistake, as such an offer would raise the suspicions of any investigator. You don't need to worry about "looking guilty." You already do.

Those who have told you to refuse the CVSA have given you good advice. Passing this bogus "test" won't clear you as a suspect, but "failing" will only deepen suspicions and lead to a potentially harsh interrogation without a lawyer present.

Just for a little more information I do not work at that job anymore I only worked there for 2 weeks all of this happend on my first day there and since I happend to have worked that day of course I had to get questioned by the police.  I even offered since it happend on my shift I said i would take care of it.  But they said no well at least the assistant manager did.    I have been told by several people to refuse but I am afraid that if i refuse they will assume I am guilty,  but what if I fail then I am going to be assumed guilty.

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George,

They sure can't.  But they do, and routinely retaliate.  They just call it something else

Regards

Our Agency takes the position that they can require us to submit to a polygraph.  And of course, the PPA doesn't apply to law enforcement agencies.

Here's how it's done.  In an internal investigation, you are read and acknowledge your rights and responsibilites under Garrity.  Something like this "we are conducting an internal investigation to determine your fitness to continue in your position.  you are required to comply with any and all requests made of you by competent authority to include, but not be limited to, examination polygraph yada yada yada.  This is not a criminal investigation and any information gathered cannot be used against you in a subsequent criminal proceeding"  If you refuse to comply with an order to take a polygraph, you are fired for refusing an order.  Has been consistently upheld at least at the Superior Court level.  Not sure of Fed and/or State Appellate Courts

Of note is the fact that you are NOT Mirandized. You are "Garrityied"

The police cannot legally compel you to submit to their bogus "test." It's only "the next step" if you allow it to be, and you would be wise to refuse. Moreover, under the Employee Polygraph Protection Act, your employer may not retaliate against you in any way for refusing to submit to any kind of lie detector test.