Pete wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2003 at 8:51am:


Pete,

I had applied to two different police agencies.  Each agency requires that you take a polygraph.  My third polygraph exam was actually a re-test with the second police agency.  They found me deceptive on their initial exam, but I insisted that I was telling the truth, and they granted me a re-test.  I don't know why they granted me a re-test, maybe they thought I was telling the truth (which I was) or the results of the exam were actually inconclusive.  They really didn't volunteer much information.   


Regards,
Kona

Kona,

Three exams for what?  If you "passed" the first one why did you have to take additional tests.

Pete

Pete,

I am 2-1 on the polygraph (2 wins, 1 loss).   

I passed my first polygraph utilizing the complete honesty method (no countermeasures).  My second polygraph didn't go so well.....I used the complete honesty method again (no countermeasures) and was found to be deceptive.  The examiner actually told me that he thought I was using countermeasures (I didn't even know what they were at the time).  On my third polygraph I used countermeasures (still told the truth on the relevant questions) and passed with no problems.   

Kona

Kona,

I was just wondering about your history....Have you actually taken a polygraph exam?  As a "senior" user you obviously have been on this site for awhile, but I don't know if you are one of the "wrongly accused" truthful or did you use countermeasures and "beat" the test?   

Just wondering,

Pete

Ryan & Nomad,

Sorry about that.....my question wasn't phrased very well.  Yes you're right, $47 is a lot for a book that is only 20 pages long.  That comes out to approximately $2.35 a page, however the point of the question really isn't about the cost of a book.    

Maybe I should have asked if $47 is too much to invest in your peace of mind concerning the polygraph.  While TLBTLD is great, and will more than likely ensure that you pass the polygraph, it is long and contains quite a bit of technical jargon for the average Joe to digest.  I have read both Doug's handbook and TLBTLD, and I thought that Doug's book was more to the point, and written for the average person.  He will also answer any questions you have by email, or by phone if you need it.   

Bottom line....if you are comfortable with everything you have read in TLBTLD, then you probably don't need Doug's book.  If there are still questions in your mind, or if you are a little confused by some of the countermeasure techniques, then you need to get Doug's book.   

Good luck.

Kona

Oh and I see Ryan has also admitted to being a druggie too - well that explains a lot.  I think it is great that some of you want to help a fine upstanding man like this become a law enforcement officer.

What a fine law officer you will be Ryan!  Not only are you trying to lie your way in to the job but you want to steal a book in order to learn how.

Nomad I really appreciate that.  If anyone else could get that for me I would really appreciate it as well. Just send the copy to himmler88@hotmail.com.  Information should be free or it should at least be available at a public library!  You know, if someone actually published a book on countermeasures and really pushed it and it got on a new york times best seller list, I bet once the majority of the population knows the tricks behind the polygraph it would probably become phased out of our society.
Just like everyone here:
I don't feel like spinning the "wheel of fortune" to see if I get the job or not.

TLBTLD should be all you need. I'll see if I can get a copy though.

my checking account has $9 CAD and I don't have an income, to be honest I'm hoping to get hired at this job and i don't want to crappity smack it up cause of the poly, if i do i'll have some really rough times ahead.  But if anyone wants to break a copyright law by all means i would be very thankful

Wow, Kona, you ask that like $47 is not alot for a book!   If I could afford that I'd have a lot of books.. 

Ryan,

If I remember correctly,  one can only print Doug's handbook from his website, not download it.  While I'm sure someone here could scan the 20 page handbook, and email it to you, it would probably be illegal without Doug's permission.   

Ah yes, I just checked my copy of "How to Sting the Polygraph," and it is indeed a copyrighted publication with all rights reserved.  It also states that express written permission by Doug is required to reproduce the document.  Hope this helps.

Kona
PS  You can't afford $47 for a book?

I have an upcoming poly exam and I have read TLBTLD.  It is a great manual thanks for producing it.  I have read that doug william's manual on how to sting the lie detector is also great however, i cannot afford it.  The problem is I don't have a job lol I am TRYING to get the job.    Could anyone e-mail me a copy at himmler88@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated