aldo,
As the Savage said in Chapter 17 of "Brave New World"; "But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin."

Re your website idea, look at this site. There is much activity "behind the scenes" by the owners of and contributors to this site of the sort you advocate.
http://www.geocities.com/eadvocate/issues/index.html

Some kind of reading here. Let's cut to the chase, in Texas, there is only good people and bad people. The sex offender is worse than a bank robber or killer, regardless if they ever touched, talked about, or wrote about teen sex. I really want to point out that "thinking" about sex with children has been declared the same as a murderer. We all need to take a step back and remember that the US was founded on not only principles, freedom of speech, and your innocent until proven guilty as basic rights. Gee, what a concept, you really should commit a crime to be guilty of a crime!!!!!!!!

Let's be the first in a new wave of justice (as in the way the forefathers were thinking), and combine our meager resources to form a class action civil lawsuit against the mass hysteria that has became the norm recently.

Yes, sounds like ACLU stuff which I used to think a radical left wing group as a "normal" member of society that I was (in the US that is).

If anyone out there is a lawyer and web designer, get with me and all others here to start a non-profit organization to either get the levels of gray set up for true justice or to use the "system" as they do(might makes right, or in this case $$ rules).

Radical? No, just realize that all the rights we fought for in the late 60's and early 70's have been totally nullified.


I will divulge my story and background if anyone is interested. 

I am very serious about the fact that we need to bind together to achieve the proper stature and level of justice that we really deserve or are willing to fight for in the American legal system.

Am I in left field? Tell me, as far as the laws go, by the letter, 1/4 of the US should be incarcerated.

Am I wrong or is my thinking that far from the norm? If it is, then the entire fault must lie in my sphere of influence. OK, that includes major corporations, significant  corporate positions, and extending to the regular guy on the street so to speak.

Please send a reply and let me know if you are with or against this psychological approach.

After all, this is the land of the "free" is it not?

Regards,

1984


P.S. - yea it's late, but I had a meeting tonight that is weighing heavy on me.

Sie,
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More like a shared responsibility. The severity of a child's reaction to observing the genitals of a male under any circumstances is directly related to what they know. This knowledge is imparted (or not) by the parents of the child. The offender has culpability for performing the act, whether the child was the target or not. 

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Your logic escapes me. The act is illegal, even if it doesn't traumatize the child. Any person who would knowingly target another person (child or not) with an act of public masturbation is going to do so regardless of his/her thoughts about the severity of the targeted person's reaction to it. He/she is doing it for their own gratification, and being observed is all they need. I don't recall ever hearing of a person justifying their indecent exposure on the grounds that it "shouldn't have bothered the target". You're reaching way out on this one.

BTW, what happens when your child sees a mother breast-feeding a baby ???

orolan wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2003 at 6:08pm:


Oh, I see; its the parents fault and not that of the offender.   

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It is this kind of thinking that lead to your offending.

OB

I love it when you use your full wit and charm.

Saidme,
Are you a polygrapher?  You mentioned your next case.
Cool!
Hey, do you use crystal pyramid power to heal yourself when you are sick also?
Hey, the latest issue of UFO magazine is out!  Do you wanna come along and wait for the Alien overlords who founded the human race to land?
But seriously, Bigfoot has been spotted just outside of this small town in Oklahoma that my grandparents are from.  Do you wanna go and try and communicate with him?  Maybe your spirit-angel guide could give you enough rainbow power to send love-vibrations to the big, furry guy.
Let me know.
Thanks,
OkieBoy

ps:  Why don't you just use your "Chi" powers to tell if someone is lying?  I heard Kung Fu masters can actually do this.

This is fantastic, Okie Boy coming to the defense of his defender.

Orolan, you wrote:  "It is my understanding that a child too young to already know that a public masturbator is doing something "nasty" will not be traumatized by the observation. And a child old enough to know what is going on should have already been sufficiently educated by his/her parents to simply be disgusted by the observation."

You wrote further still: 

"It would seem that the only child traumatized by such an act would be a child raised in a Barney-like fantasy world who believes that all people are loving and nice; thinks babies come from the cabbage patch; thinks people don't die, they just go to another place; has no idea of the concept that boys are different than girls, except that girls wear dresses and boys don't , etc. These are the same kids who shock their parents by marrying the first abusive alcoholic drug addict that comes along "because he said he loved me"(I actually know such a girl). "

All excellent rationalizations which could assist in producing a post-test confession.  I may have to incorporate some of your material in my next case that's similar to this one.  Appreciate the material.

Your intent (only you know that) may not have been to present it as rationalizations but they are rationalizations/minimizations nevertheless.

Saidme,
Sie presented a hypothetical question, applied to a hypothetical incident. To which I presented a valid opinion. 
At no time did I minimize or discount OkieBoy's specific incident for which he was charged and placed on probation.

Don't read so much between the lines. I'm not hooked up to your machine

Saidme,
Sounds to me like Orolan was presenting different factors and points of view into the equation, something narrow-minded individuals like yourself seem incapable of comprehending. 
-OkieBoy

Orolan

You wrote:  "I am not trying to minimize OkieBoy's offense at all."

That's exactly what you did.

Sie,
And if you're allowing your little kids to go to frat parties, then that says something else about your parenting skills.
Maybe you should be informed before passing judgements.
But that's okay.  Generalizing is a common mistake amongst idiots.  You're in good companionship with Saidme.
-OkieBoy

sie,
Guilty of a little "presumption" of my own. What does happen ??? Does you child know that Mom's body is different than Dads? Does s/he know why? Does s/he know that there are "bad" people in this world? Does s/he know what masturbation is?(probably does regardless of whether or not you know s/he knows )
It is my understanding that a child too young to already know that a public masturbator is doing something "nasty" will not be traumatized by the observation. And a child old enough to know what is going on should have already been sufficiently educated by his/her parents to simply be disgusted by the observation.
It would seem that the only child traumatized by such an act would be a child raised in a Barney-like fantasy world who believes that all people are loving and nice; thinks babies come from the cabbage patch; thinks people don't die, they just go to another place; has no idea of the concept that boys are different than girls, except that girls wear dresses and boys don't , etc. These are the same kids who shock their parents by marrying the first abusive alcoholic drug addict that comes along "because he said he loved me"(I actually know such a girl). 
I am not trying to minimize OkieBoy's offense at all. It just seems that the scenario you describe, if it results in the child being traumatized, is more an indication of failed parenting skills than of his perversion.
Now that I've stepped in it with both feet, I'll await the repercussions

OkieBoy wrote on Jul 29^th, 2003 at 8:12pm:


Excuse me for being a little presumptuous but lets assume your a public masturbator and your targets are adult woman. What happens if my child just happens along at the wrong time? ???

Your minimizing. 

Peter,
I could tell you I teach criminal psychology at a major university, or I could tell you I'm the guy who asks "Do you want fries with that?" at McDonalds. Odds are that either one would cause some people to view what I post here in a different light strictly based on that knowledge. Which isn't really the way it should be. I want my posts to be read and interpreted based on the content of them without that content being qualified based on how I pay my bills. Understand?
E-mail me at the address provided in my profile and I'll tell you what I do for a living. But you'll need to convince me that you will keep it to yourself.

Orolan,

What is your field of employment? Maybe just a hint..

Thanks..

Peter

My crime was indecent exposure...and it had nothing to do with children.
People like Saidme, ignorant people that is, have a tendency to generalize.  It is easier than actually thinking.
Some examples of these ignorant right wingers opinions are "all blacks are lazy", "all arabs are terrorists", and "all people convicted of a sex crime are child molesters".
I say let saidme go on thinking this way.  At least we can point out the idiots by what they speak.
-OkieBoy

Anonymous

You didn't answer the question.   ???

Where'd you see that dipshit?

Saidme,

You write:

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You appear to have created the new polygraph result (to go along with DI, NDI, and Inconclusive) of Potential Deception Indicated (PDI).  I think even your colleagues would be embarassed at this evolutionary development in the world of CQT polygraphy.

The examiner should receive a medal because of his diligent duty in identifying a potential dishonest candidate.  You, nor I can determine whether or not George was truthful on his polygraph examination.  George's blatant flippant attitude toward offender's of the criminal justice system render him incapable of performing federal, state, or local law enforcement duties.  His little website attempts (added emphasis) to assist those trying to circumvent the criminal justice system.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.  Regarding Okieboy (or perv as like to use) another poster identified him as a child molester and if he wants to refute it then let him do so.  I haven't seen him do it yet.  Regarding this website, do you believe this website may assist criminal with furthering their criminal behavior?  Be honest!

Saidme,

You write in reference to Mr. Maschke,

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This passage is quite revealing.  That examiner found Mr. Maschke to be deceptive (Mr. Maschke claims that this was a wrong/false diagnosis and you have offered no evidence to the contrary .)  You have through your words empowered that examiner with the non-existent authority to disqualify applicants.  That is the function of the hiring agency and presumably its human relations department.  It is interesting to see the allusions of grandeur that you posses and attribute to your colleagues.  It is for this reason as well as your vulgar unprofessional responses on this site to those lay people who (making no claim of professional membership) are frequently equally childish,  that you should not have the even the authority that you do have.  With regard to Mr. Maschke's polygraph examiner,  I would agree that that individual deserves a medal or trophy.  In fact I believe he should be the anti-polygraph community's man of the year for at least the past three or four years running.  While making you and yours look silly on a daily basis, he (along with Mr. Scalabrini) has done as much as any individual to inform the American and international publics about various aspects of the fraud we know as polygraphy.

George

Your supporters are really coming out of the woodwork.  You must be so proud to have a child molester backing your crap.  Let's see now, if (when) Okieperv reoffends, do families and or jurisdictions of the young victims have any recourse in filing criminal charges and or civil suits against you and your little I'm behind the 1st amendment website?  Do the ends justify the means, no matter how many youngsters get hurt?  Obviously the examiner who DQ'd you deserves a medal.  You should be in no way affiliated with a law enforcement or intelligence organization.  Stay in Europe.

Saidme,
Why don't you go to some right-wing, rush limbaugh loving, neo-nazi, repugnican website and post with your friends?
I'm sorry that your dearly beloved polygraph has been proven a big, fat lie...a psuedo-scientific falsity.
Did you know that the top scientists and psychologists in our nation view the polygraph as nothing more than a joke?  And that is how I view you.  I'm tired of laughing at your idiocy, go post somewhere else.
-Okieboy

Twoblock

You wrote:  "I will say at the outset that my knowledge of the workings of the polygraph was gained right here on this website by both sides of the poly subject."

Haven't you got a life?  What the hell are you doing on this website if you don't have a dog in the hunt?  Why don't you get on some Miner's website and talk about things you do know about?   

You wrote further:  "ONE man has the power to free or condem."   

That might have some impact on a sex offender test and as far as I'm concerned, better safe than sorry.  I seriously doubt there is any effective rehabilitation for sex offenders.  When it comes to the old specific issue test you couldn't be further from the truth.  I guess in a nutshell I'm telling you you're full of shit.  Don't speak about polygraph unless you know what you're talking about.

A NASCAR driver once wispered to me that he liked the old Model T Fords over these new fangled machines.  Of course he ain't won nothing lately.

Hey Sammy my boy,

How 'bout you and I go out for a few brewskies and we can talk about your upcoming polygraph?  Oh yeah, I forgot you don't drink any more.  Excuse me while I go get my waders, the shit's starting to get a little deep around here.  Come on bud, when was the last time you let a little of Grandpa's secret recipe cross over your lips?

By the way, better the "polygraph was hooked up to a computer" than a 220 volt wall socket!  Come to think of it, that would be a good way to get some more of those false confessions.  Gotta go, I see a potential victim walking by.

BATMAN