Eastwood,

I filed CPRA to get the tapes and charts to help my case, as cited in previous posts, but they have been denied.

That's part of the problem.  If polygraphy was a 'science' there would be no need to hide the tapes or charts.  Transparency is obviosly not a buzz word that is popular among polygraphers.

On this site you can read hundreds of similar complaints of unprofessional conduct by polygraphers- the majority of which never get investigated.   Like a criminal that gets away with a petty crime, they keep pushing the boundaries until they get caught. 

Are there good polygraphers out there? 

1)When you realize the serious flaw in the PLCQT ( a presummed standard response to a control question) you are left to wonder!

2) Then factor in the abusive questioning and scare tactics.

3)Then add in the NAS report.

4)sprinkle on a few ex-polygraphers that have come clean.

It all adds up to a No!

It's no scientifc, it's not accurate, it's based on deception.  It's not an investigative tool- its an electronic 3rd degree- if they don't want you- you will not pass!

Of course these two 'professionals' have had problems before!  But with no way to prove my case (no tapes), these guys will just get an in-house slap on the wrist.    The department will cover it up and I will end up taking a job with another agency.

I used to view LE as a brotherhood of people who care.  I was gung-ho (still am ).  But this episode has made me keenly aware that there is corruption within.   

I guess some people will do anything for a few $$$!!!





 

If any polygraph examiner made a joke about the pneumo tubes and the size of a pecker, he should be fired on the spot - and have his name broadcast on every internet site available.  It's assholes like that who give all examiners a bad name.  And I guarantee he's had problems before.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!! 

Skeptic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2003 at 6:45pm:


How many parents have heard all heck going on upstairs, yell "What's going on upthere?!!", and heard little angelic voices responding, "Nothing, Dad." ?

"He started it." is another one of those "generic answers."

Thanks for the laugh, Skeptic.

Regards

Seeker wrote on Jun 9^th, 2003 at 9:44am:


He started it.

Skeptic

Boyz:

I swear, sometimes I just don't know what kind of stress you all must be going through at work to be coming in here and posting like silly  kids on the playground comparing...the size of their toys. 

George really gets under your skin, doesn't he?  Why?

Gentlemen:

Save logical discussions for the mature crowd.

Regards,
Seeker

Twobits/Septic

You jump to unwarranted conclusions.  And as a result you are very wrong.  I am hurt.

Fed-up Fed/Amused

You write as though you believe RETAO is real. You, also, write as though you condon what he did/is doing. That makes you the same pervert that he is and should, also, be castrated with a dull knife. You support this low-life and condem George. The fact that RETAO is bogus but you still support the scenario tells us more than we wanted to know about you. Oh well -- with the stupid screw-ups of our federal LE agencies, I guess we couldn't expect anything else.

BTW, under what administration did you get hired Bush or Clinton?

Batman, Breeze and Public Servant please get on with the feds and raise the IQ of some of these agencies.

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Amused,
You couldn't even get past the very first sentence in my post, so somehow, "besting you" never really occurred to me as an issue.  But now that I think about it, you must be right: you're just too much for me.

Care to discuss the validity of the polygraph, and make it 2 for 2?  Since I'm no match for you, it should be easy.

Skeptic

"Hopeless.  Utterly hopeless. "

Skeptic's lament.  Does it refer to George, George's prospects of ever getting a life, or to Skeptic's chances of ever besting me?  Perhaps all of the above.

Hopeless.  Utterly hopeless.

Skeptic

And I guess your real name is Skeptic - your mother must have had a real sense of humor.

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I'm sorry, Amused (or Fed-up Fed, or whatever your name is), what part of anyone's response to "Retao"'s highly suspect claim would lead a reasonable person to conclude they're "running"?

If you, Fed-Up or anyone else from the pro-polygraph side would like to discuss the validity of polygraph testing, we'd be more than happy to do so.

But I don't think you should expect the childish name calling and game playing to invite anything but scorn from normal people.

Picture this: a curious person does a Google search.  On that page they find the link to Antipolygraph.org.  They check it out, and to their surprise, they not only learn that polygraphs are controversial, they learn that it's considered snake oil by most scientists.  They discover that the National Academy of Scientists concluded the polygraph is worse than useless.  They find out that many people have been falsely accused of lying because they failed a polygraph "test".  They note that something called "countermeasures" can be easily learned, and that not a single polygrapher has come forward to try and prove the ability to overcome them, despite having been specifically and publicly challenged to do so nearly a year and a half ago.

Surely, though, this information must be one-sided, right?  So they check out the message boards.  Expecting to find competent, grown up and (at least somewhat) convincing dissent from polygraphers or a one-sided censored forum, they are surprised to discover 1) the message boards are completely uncensored and 2) the only material from polygraphers consists of name-calling, game playing and and occasional hollow boast that is never backed up.  And this is the most convincing thing of all.  In fact, they tell their friends about the site, and inform others around them that the polygraph is bogus.

So, Amused, Fed-up Fed and others: by all means, continue to play games.  Continue to post your childish, content-free insults.  Like the polygraph, you guys are worse than useless for the purpose to which you are allegedly put.

Next to an actual court case, you guys are the best thing for the anti-polygraph cause.

Skeptic

Dear Amused,

I am awaiting some logical input to contradict what has been presented.  A "ten year female has admitted to physical activities" which would be construed by most courts of law as " first person admissable evidence" as opposed to polygraph voodoo which is not admissable.

No one here is running away from this newsworthy event.  I keep running internet searches to find out more about it.  I do not think any law enforcement agency is going to be able to keep a lid on such a front page headlining CNN.com and FOXNEWS.com story.  It is truly a made for TV news event.

Time will bear out my presentation.  If this does not hit the news within the next week, it did not happen.

George and his cohorts sure run when they get a complaint.  It has to be bogus, no one would complain about King George the Great.

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Dear Fed-up Fed,

I have not always agreed with "antipolygraph.org" comments and voiced it accordingly.  I do not believe in polygraph pre-screening in employment situations. 

Any Federal Law Officer with a reasonable amount of experience would have to question RETAO's statements. 

What statements would you lend credibility to regarding his postings?

Regards.

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And it's truly remarkable how convenient his showing up and making exactly the same point, rather than arguing his case, is for you...

Skeptic

George said, "Your inference that I weigh 300 pounds is in keeping with your being taken in by RETAO's fabricated posting. "

It's beginning to look like you have a real person with a real complaint about your bullshit book.  Are you going to continue to make fun and ignore him just because he is makes you feel uncomfortable?

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Don't know about "tub of lard", but I'm around 190#.  I'd like to lose about 20 pounds (it's a work in progress).

Is this the best you've got, Fed?  Honestly, I know of grade schoolers who can do better.

Lord, I hope you're not really on the federal payroll.  It's enough to turn a liberal into a conservative.

Skeptic

P.S. Sorry about the use of multiple-syllable words in my posts -- I know that sort of gets in your way, but it's really hard to avoid.  Check out dictionary.com if you have trouble with terms like "payroll".

Now George we both know you are too full of shit to be thin.  As to being taken in, I think that was a very real cry for help from one of your loser groupies and you should be more sympathetic.

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Fed-up Fed,

Your inference that I weigh 300 pounds is in keeping with your being taken in by RETAO's fabricated posting.

I'm well within U.S. Army height/weight standards. If you'd like to confirm my bodily dimensions for yourself, e-mail me to schedule an iVisit videoconference.

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Talk about indicting yourself.  If this is true, based on my experience polygraphers must be among the scummiest people around.

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Now that's priceless.  Confirms my suspicion that cuckolded men are among the most ardent advocates of polygraphy.

Now we hear from Sue, the newest of George's groupies.   

But seriously, what do you think George weighs?  300???

Or is he just a fat head?

Fed-up-fed,

I don't care about the size,sex, race, or religion of a polygrapher or anyone else.  Its the size, depth and frequency of the lies polygraphers tell that bothers me.

What you do is lie for a living.  You know it.  Your pissed because your 'profession' had been exposed.  You can kick and scream all you want that won't stop anyone here from exposing your 'profession' as a hustle for fools.   

Your time, in the only seat of power you have ever held, is coming to an end!   

Your anger towards George or anyone else here is a pathetic attempt to strike back at the people who won't buy your lies. 

Your like a rat that hisses when someone opens the basement door.  Once the lights come on you'll scury away, as your only brave in the cover of darkness...

Once again one of George's groupies comes to his defense while he avoids answering a simple question.  If he is going to talk about the overweight polygraphers why object when his rotund figure is brought up?

And how about you Septic?  Are you a tub of lard too?