Skeptic,
Scary thought, isn't it? As for Washed-up, I'm inclined to believe that he/she/it and "Amused" are one and the same. The type and tone of their mindless drivel are quite similar.

orolan wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2003 at 11:47pm:


Now that's a scary thought, Orolan   From what I've heard, our government would then be peopled largely by perverts.

Skeptic

orolan wrote on Jun 4^th, 2003 at 1:27am:


Don't worry about it, Orolan.  The day Fed-Up Fed actually contributes something besides insults to this board (a pity, that -- it would be so easy for him to do so) will be the day the Earth stands still.

He ain't worth it -- and I suspect he knows it.

Skeptic

Fed-up Fed,
You seem to chime in quite often yourself around the board. So what's your excuse?

I figured orolan the moron would be one of the first to chime in even though you weren't even mentioned or asked.

Washed-up Fed,
Is that the new "official" position of the Federal Government? Now guys suspected of cheating on their wives are to be considered "perverts"?

Oh my, now we have an expert specializing in pervert tests.

If any one has any questions or faces a domestic relations polygragh test please IM me and I can provide assistance. I have taken several tests pertaining to this issue and can assist if anyone needs it.

[color=Blue][/color]Dear Broken
All I can say is that I was recently in the same position.
It sounds like your quoting my life.
April 9th was the day my world ended. A 10 year relationship was destroyed.
I begged to take a polygraph, just as you did, to finally put the suspicion of my fidelity to rest.
As I was reading all the posts, I began to have all the same reactions that I had when the test finally started. Sweating, rapid breathing, high anxiety. And I'm only reading the posts. It's like reliving it all over again.  I told the truth. It didn't matter. I was told after being given the test that I had hit the highest level of deception the test could indicate. That I was lying across the board. So I guess my name wasn't Ken and that the month wasn't April either!
Like most, I only knew what most know about polygraphs. Not much. Like most, again, I should have done some research.
It sort of feels good to know that I'm not alone.
I'm so sorry that I ever believed in this. 
Color me "therapy bound".

Broken,

I’m sorry to hear about your separation from your husband. However, it’s strictly my opinion that there is more to your husband’s insecurity than the failed results of your polygraph exam. It sounds to me as though he is very insecure with himself. Regardless of the outcome of your polygraph exam, he more than likely would have still maintained the same personal convictions with respect to your relationship situation.

What I’m trying to say here, is that even had you passed the polygraph exam, your husband probably would have then blamed the polygraph’s unreliability and vulnerabilities. 

Granted, he may be correct in saying that you can find anything on the Internet to support any claim. I must agree. After all, if so inclined, one could find nearly anything on the Internet to support most any claim…

[You wrote]
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The overwhelming majority of people have long believed for many years that polygraph testing is irrefutable and undeniably accurate. However, as there are pro-polygraph supporters, there are also anti-polygraph supporters. I personally do not believe in the accuracy of polygraph testing. I [in my own personal opinion] feel that polygraph testing is flawed, unreliable and susceptible to countermeasures. I base my belief in a methodology of testing [polygraphy] that strongly relies on trickery and deceit to mislead the test subject(s) in order to make the test more reliable. “yea right”…

I personally feel that your husband probably has “his own agenda” in which he is obviously not sharing with you, to warrant his desire of separation from you.

Please don’t take anything I have said the wrong way. I sincerely believe there is something else behind your husband’s actions. Perhaps the true motivation prompting your husband to act in such a manner will soon be made clear to you.

In closing, do not beat yourself up too bad over your failed polygraph results. Based on your own version of events, your husband wrote the polygrapher a check prior to the polygraph exam, and then at the conclusion of the polygraph exam, “tipped” the polygrapher another $50.00 cash. At best, this seems highly unethical to me. One could easily interpret your husband’s method of payment, as an attempt to “influence” the polygrapher to support his predisposed personal belief. Although, keep in mind this is strictly my personal opinion… There will be some on this board that will no doubt dispute my position and opinion. Unlike some, I respect other peoples opinion.

Good luck, and I hope things work out for you. Keep the faith.

Respectfully,
Triple x

Dear Triple x

Since I posted that first message in August, I have since separated from my husband.  He refuses to believe that the polygraph was wrong and in fact, he is basing our whole relationship and whole life around it.  I e-mailed him a copy of TLBTLD, but it did not help.  He says you can find anything on the internet to support any opinion you hold.  At this point, short of earth-shattering front page news that totally discredits polygraphs, his mind is made up.  I don't understand why society in general considers the polygraph reliable and true.  I used to be like that.  After all, I am the one that begged for the "test".  Whenever I heard in the news about suspects failing polygraphs, I was willing to think that the book should be thrown at them.  Now, after a little research and a little reading, I realize that I should have known better.  Oh, well, live and learn, I guess.   

Thanks for your reply. 
Broken

Broken,

I’m sorry to hear such a sad personal story involving infidelity and polygraphy. Being suspected of infidelity when you are innocent of such allegations is an awful situation. 

You wrote:
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If it’s any consolation, rest assured that your husband paid for nothing more than the equivalent of a “Tarot card” or “palm” reading. He could have simply saved himself the money and flipped a coin. The coin-toss result would have been just as accurate as the polygraph exam.

In addition, I suggest that you download and read [for free of charge] “TLBTLD” available on this website. You may also want to provide a copy of “TLBTLD” to your husband, to help him better understand the trickery and deceit involved with polygraph testing.   

I wish you the best with respect to your marital situation. I sincerely hope things work out for you. 


Good luck.


Respectfully,
Triple x

Oh my goodness! I am simply devastated.  Did I say something wrong or offensive?  Mr. Orolan please don't be angry.  I didn't mean any harm, I was simply commenting on Mr.TwoBlocks inovative solution.  Please don't sic TwoBlock on me. I promise I will get a life, I learned my lesson.

BB(iterpret this as Boston Blackie or baffled & bewildered)   

Better yet, Boston Blackie, perhaps George and Twoblock should collaborate on a book called "How to Get a Life". And you could be their first customer.


BB ( Interpret it as Baked Beans or Blue Balls)

WOW!! what great idea twoblock has. Perhaps he could write a book and explain exactly how to "bitch slap".  He could model it after the BLT or whatever George calls his book.
I am sure that George will help him. He could then write a sequel on how to "beat" the charges.  Before you know it he will be an expert in "bitch slapping" and have his own web site. Wish I had thought of it.

BB ( Interpret it  as Boston Blackie or Ball Buster)

Mr. Frog

This polygrapher sounds like the same/or likened to another PHD (piled higher and deeper in this case) who has been asked to present his credentials. He never has.

These kind of polygraphers are so hung-up on sex themselves that they accuse their subjects as being the sex addicts that they are. They need therapy themselves to prevent them, and their toto"s, from following the yellow prick toad.

As to your girl friend threatening you with mayhem, just bitch slap her about five times and she will back off.

My first polygraph examination ever occured two days ago when I took a similar examination, but it was geared more towards infidelity in the mind (sexual fantasies) rather than physical infidelity. My fiancee believes that any sexual fantasy about any woman other than her constitutes a pattern of sexual addiction. I communicated to her that I had a fantasy about a certain woman that I would never act on in a million years. She was certain that if I had such a fantasy then I must also have been accessing all kinds of sick pornography including child pornography. I denied the baseless accusations and agreed to take the polygraph because I was certain that I would pass. I also agreed to the polygraph because my fiancee got extremely angry when I initially told her that I didn't have to take it, and she threatened me with violence. 

The polygrapher by all indications was an expert. He had many credentials (ie. PhD in psychophysiology and behavorial assessment), was trained both by the FBI and DOD, and he worked for years as an examiner for the LA Co. Sherrif's Dept. His bio also stated that he was a noted polygraph lecturer, trainer, and expert witness in worldwide demand with over 8500 examinations to his credit. Although he was also licensed to practice marriage/relationship counseling, he wasn't in this state. However, he informed my fiancee and I that it didn't limit him from making a recommendation for relationship counseling regardless of the outcome. 

Despite my fiancee's threats and the resulting duress, I was very relaxed throughout my brief 25 - 30 min. pre-polygraph interview and was feeling confident. The examiner was very polite and seemed to be very sympathetic, like a therapist. However, it should be noted that although he initially seemed wanton to get both sides of the complete story, he spent well over an hour interviewing my fiancee which may have resulted in a less-than objective administration of the test. At the time, I felt it better not to mention her threat and the duress that I was under to the polygrapher because I wanted to appear as non-deceptive as possible. In hindsight, maybe I should have. 

When it came time for me to get hooked up to the machine, relaxation turned to high anxiety. He tried to reassure me that there was no chance of getting falsely-detected as being deceptive because he would calibrate the polygraph machine to my level of anxiety. The problem is that level of anxiety during the calibration questions (ie. Is your name ****? Do you know how to drive?) was not as high than the anxiety for the actual test questions, although it felt that any increase was small. Is this done on purpose or what? Also, the test questions were all very timeframe specific, but I answered either yes or no without having to put too much thought into them and with the utmost confidence. My anxiety increased even more when he informed me that I wasn't sitting perfectly still after the first round of questioning. The second and third round of questioning were incredibly excruciating not because of having to answer all the questions again,  which I answered truthfully, but because I became overtly-conscientious of the slightest movement and was having a difficult time trying to keeping still. 

Afterward, he spent a while taking notes. Then he gave me the shocking results. I had not only failed the test, which I was certain that I had passed, but the results of the test in his professional opinion proved that I was a sex addict who was in denial. In his words, the polygraph told him that if I didn't get help then I was "a ticking timebomb soon to committ sexual assault" and that I was in the advanced stages of sexual addiction. He never communicated to me that he could diagnose sexual addiction with a polygraph exam. I thought that we would be told either that I had passed or that I had failed and would then get referred to a relationship counselor. Needless to say, I felt is if I had been told that I was diagnosed with a terminal disease and had  only a short time to live. It was that devastating. I never knew that a polygraph could ever be used to make such a serious diagnosis. 

The polygrapher made his professional recommendation to get immediate sexual addiction counseling and informed me that he had a list of referrals should I need help finding a suitable therapist. I don't seem to recall him making a recommendation for the both of us to seek relationship counseling. His professional opinion was that sexual addiction counseling solely for me would save the relationship. 

FYI, this whole strange and nightmarish ordeal has opened my eyes wide, and I have decided to break-off the engagement and end the relationship once and for all. However, my fiancee is now on a mission to try and make any life without her as miserable as possible.

Broken,

Although I have rarely found reason to consider a positive explanation for much of anything done by a polygrapher and reported by one such as yourself on this message board, it may well be that the polygrapher you saw was licensed to practice in his state and not yours.  If so, he may have simply been obeying state licensure laws but yet trying to convenience you by meeting you at a location close to your common state border.  This explanation for this particular action, of course, should in no way be considered an endorsement of the exam you were given nor viewed as concurring with the results obtained.

Maybe that is why I could not find anyone in my own state to perform the polygraph for this purpose.  The polygrapher we found was in a neighboring state and he traveled over 4 hours to stay in a hotel that was still within his state, but close to the border so that it was within 1/2 hour of where I live.  That should have raised a red flag to me before I even went.   
I wish I would never have found him. 

It is just in these types of situations - where infidelity is questioned - that I believe a polygraph examiner looses all credibility.  IMHO, an examiner who would even concent to perform such a polygraph is nothing more than a desperate person who is seeing the unemployment line sign flashing in neon in front of their faces.   

Simply disgusting behavior!

Regards,

Broken wrote on Aug 26^th, 2002 at 10:50pm:





I can relate to your story but in reverse. My husband told me for a year that he cheated. When I told someone about it he changed his story. We went for a polygraph test and he passed. Was it a true story or not? i'll never know for sure. I'm sure it depends on the examiner. If he feels sorry for you or not. It was a waste of time and money as far as I'm concerned because I wasn't even shown anything. He just drew a scale on the back of a scrap paper to show me the limit of inconclusiveness. Kind of a ripply's beleive it or not story. I didn't get a written report. Just his word.

Your story is making cry. I did the same thing yesterday. I know exactly how you feel. My boyfriend thought that I had cheated on him in the past. He wanted me to take the polygraph. I decided to do it because I love him, and he would not have stayed with me if I didn't do it. So I did it. I didn't want to do it because I knew that the test was not reliable, but it was the only way. The examiner was an ass. He tried to explain everything to me, and I told him that I was familiar with the process. When I said that the two metal straps that go around the fingers were for recording sweat activity, he denied it. He also told me that the machine records physiological functions in the body that cannot be altered or control by me. I told him about a psychology textbook that I had read that stated that people with hypertension were hooked up to the machine and successfully controled and lowered their blood pressure. He denied that the school textbook was true. After the examination I was told that I had failed. This made me burst into tears. I also cried during the pre-interview. Anyhow, after he told my boyfriend the results, I was asked to leave the room. During this time (as I was told by my boyfriend) the polygraph examiner had accused me of trying to flash him my breasts. In actuality I was reaching in my pirse on the floor for a tissue to wipe my tears away.

Deputy Bear,

Thank you very much for your reply.  You re absolutely right.  It has been misery. 

Off the subject but...
Trust is a hard thing to rebuild. I doubt that things would have been any better had you passed the poly. There are deep issues that cause one to distrust. The poly was probably just the straw that broke the camels back. You still would have had to work out the other issues. And that could have been complete misery for you, he would have been in control of you the whole time because you would be on probation until he worked through his own issues and that isn't fair to you.

Broken,

First, my sympathies. No one should be forced to undergo the travesty of a polygraph examination as a means of defending their fidelity or love.

Second, if you have any hope of saving your relationship, may I suggest reading carefully The Lie Behind The Lie Detector, and also giving a copy to your husband? It's possible that your husband is-- like a vast number of people-- totally ignorant of the pseudoscientific fraud behind your polygraph interrogation and, when fully informed, will reconsider things.

Sincerely,

Dave