Torpedo,

The point I was making in my previous post in this message thread is that polygraph "testing" cannot reliably differentiate between truth and deception; polygraph "test" scores cannot "determine" whether a parolee or probationer is re-offending. Polygraphy does, however, have some utility for getting admissions/confessions from those who haven't yet discovered that it's a fraud.

Thank you for your holiday wishes, and I hope the same for you and yours. But I'm a little puzzled by your reference to our meeting soon at The Hague. If you expect to be in town and would like to meet, I would be amenable to that.

I know you will ask "what is he talking about"....perhaps it is just the way you phased it...but when I read:

It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it. 

I came to the conclusion thatyou were in efffect saying that the polygraph works....albeit not in every situation...but I think your verablized intention is clear....or was this a Freudian slip?

Have a gret holiday George...looking forward to meeting you soon at the Hague!

Look who is becoming a believer....not totally I admit...but surely there is a note of acknowledgement in your message that there indeed is a use for that infernal machine that you have denigrated for so long....congratulations George for your moderating view...I am proud of you!

DIorNDI,

You write, among other things:

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Nonsense. Polygraph "testing" is a sham. It can only "determine" if a probationer or parolee is reoffending if that probationer or parolee cares to admit it.

I did not realize this post was so old.  Polyantipass, are you still free?  I certainly hope not.  And George, you stated earlier:  "When Gino Scalabrini and I created AntiPolygraph.org and published The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, we knew full well that some of the information made available here could be helpful to people trying to "beat the system." This was not, however, our motivation for creating this website."  You admit that a few "bad" people will use your advice to beat the system while you slam polygraph, claiming that a few "truthfull" people are devastated by the evil polygraphers.  How is that line of reasoning any different?  I wonder what the success rate of your "machine" is?  And as far as those who would bash NoLieGuy and others who feel that Antipolypass should be in prison:  no one touched on his current subscriptions to porn websites.  He alluded to his subscriptions, not past subscriptions, which tells me he is still doing it.  The fact that he has access to the computer to post here leads me to believe he is still offending.  Well, hell, he openly admits to reoffending.  Problem is, everyone is trying to justify his crime by making light of it by saying he only looked at pictures.  Bullshit, he sought out pictures day and night, looked at them, saved them, and engaged in self pleasure fantasizing about the innocent child over and over and over.  And when that picture no longer got his jollies off, he found others.  And the process perpetuated until he got caught.  And the only way society can protect us from him is to polygraph him routinely to determine if he is reoffending.  Chalk up one more in the "ony 13% reoffend"  Thanks George
 

HBP,

The question is not what effect your stated resting blood pressure (210/117) would have on a polygraph exam (likely none), but what effect a polygraph exam would have on your blood pressure and attendant health issues (perhaps considerable).  Although no one should voluntarily be a polygraph examinee, you should absolutely refuse such (if offered) for health reasons.

What effect would having a high blood pressure of 210/117 have on testing?

HBP

Huxley,
I'm sure Sie will overlook the transgression

My apologies, not intentional I assure you.

Aldo

Huxley,
Just thought I would point out to you for future reference that Sie is a "she", not a "he" 

I agree with sie on most points. You should take his advice as the general concept of self control is there. 

On the other hand, he fell back to the “good old canned” thinking process that scare tactics are the only tactics when he said you were capable of harming a child. Seems he placed you with Ted Bundy even though you probably never hurt anyone in your life. I am in the same boat as you are; I raised two lovely children and never gave corporal punishment to them. Nor have I ever engaged in physical abuse to anyone in my life. Can sie say the same? If so, can he admit that he never even thought of punishing someone or thing in his mind. If he says yes, I have a nice body of water he can walk on as I would love to make money selling tickets to his feats. A good therapist can and will get to the bottom of your issues. Question is; can you afford a good therapist? The governmental Gestapo canned psychologist with group therapy is nothing more than brainwashing, which come to think of it; it works!
Why don’t they just use subliminal education over the television to get the ideal perfect citizen in everyone?
Ever wonder I chose Aldo Huxley as an ID?

Aldo

Antipolypass:

Help? From where does it come and from whom? The group? Therapist? Self?

Understand and realize the outcome of your continued deviant sexual behavior, viewing of child porn, will only be negative.

My advise would be learn to eliminate fantasy/fixation of children.

1) Learn to recognize the events that lead up to your fantasies.

2) Examine these thoughts as they unfold.
a) Where are these thoughts coming from?
b) Why am I turned on by this?

3) Never deny to yourself you have these thoughts.
 
Action is to be avoided at all costs. (Viewing of Child porn)

1) Do not stroke your fantasies with maturbation
2) Disassociate the orgasm from your fantasies with children. 

Feel remorse and let your conscious take control.
Feel empathy. Empathize for those children your victims.

Hay and most importantly acknowledge that you are capable of hurting a child and it scares you.

BTW if all else fails think of bubba and his big 10 inch

PeteFonda, please change your screen name to Arthur Neve. it fits you better.

Aldo

PF,
I agree that when a mind degenerates to a certain level, there is no therapy that can bring it back. Such a theory would apply to Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer quite easily, as well as some serial sex offenders and rapists. Of course, should we add in folks who are up around their 10th DUI offense to the list? Definitely a degenerate mind beyond all therapy, don't you think? BTW, do you drink?
But the fact is, not everybody is like that. Yes, it is reprehensible for someone to rape a child. That person has a serious problem. But quite a few sex offenders are so-classified because they improperly touched a child (either by accident or on purpose), or they viewed photos of naked children (like polyantipass), or they simply were viewed by a child while relieving themselves behind a tree. There are no reprehensible acts that would justify death or life in prison in these cases.
These offenders may or may not have a "degenerate mind". Only therapy will determine the true nature of their mind, and only therapy will show them that true nature.
I for one have never advocated that a sexual offender or predator on this board use what they learn here to beat the polygraph. On the contrary, I have always advocated that they get with the program and face the reality of what they have done. Most other "old-timers" on this board do the same. None of us want serial child molesters on the streets.

Zerotolerance,

Treatment? Society has to wake up and realize that when a mind is to the point of compete decay there is no treatment possible. Can a serial killer be treated? If your answer would be no, then why can we justify treatment for a person that would sexually abuse a child? Death or life imprisonment are the only real choices we should be considering. I know that Okieboy and some of the other sexual preditors will disagree with my opinion, but this stated, why are they here? To beat the polygragh right! Is more treatment needed? I think not.

Perhaps instead of blaming everyone under the sun for "their" failure to help you, you could simply be honest about your deviant interests and actually get some help. All the methods you have mentioned are some form of deception. I imagine you have spent a lot of your life justifying your deception and have never been simply honest. There is no softer easier way to get well. You simply have to start being honest.
You are supporting an industry that creates actual victims.
You mention that several methods work well for you but you don't use them all the time. Well that is the choice you have to make to get better or worse. Or you could join the legions of people who think they can whine their problem away.

You can bet that PeterFonda counts Jerry Falwell, Strom Thurmond and Rush Limbaugh amongst his favorite heroes and role models. Kind of reminds me of the men at the Baptist Church I went to as a kid. After a score of Amens and a few Praise Gods during the sermon they would stand around outside and debate the physical features of the various teenage girls in the choir. Such hypocrites.

PeterFonda,
I like the way you put words in my mouth to try and make your weak point.  You should be a talkshow radio host, as your tactics remind me of Rush Limbaugh and the other rightwing wackos.
I never said that sex offenders should work at playgrounds.  I did however suggest that Polyantipass get some serious therapy.
Your own words reveal your ignorance.  You assume that I can have no contact with children and this is not the case.  I have no children of my own, but I have four younger siblings and there are no rules against contact with minors on my probation terms.
And again you talk about God, but this is no Christian God that I know of.   
The God I worship would never condone suicide.   
Sounds like your on Satan's side, buddy.  Did he promise you a cooler place in hell for trying to win souls for him?

OkieBoy,

You're right, I was out of line...Let's get Polyantipass treatment!! When he is done let's get him a job as a playground monitor....Hopefully at your child's school!
Any sicko that gets off looking at children...Does not belong to be here on earth..Sorry if that hits home...
If you have children you most likely have a no contact in place? (You are one of them, right?)  As for your comment that thousands of men have done the same thing and have just not been caught, I would have to disagree.  Your compassion is understandable in your case, a brother in cause.  One final comment to you, do you not think God believes in right and wrong?  Do you really believe that God would punish a man with hell if in fact he was protecting innocent children from himself?  I think not. 

Billybob seems all too familiar with the Drano death.  Makes me wonder? I should of said Drano MIXED with 7-Up..Settles the stomach..     

Aside from what else has been said Drano is very painful way to die, after you swallow the drano it reacts with the acids in your stomach and then you vomit the drano and stomach acids which is so potent that it literally eats away your throat, mouth, lips and any other skin that this mixture comes in contact with.

When you investigate suicides with drano the victims run all through their homes looking for an alternate way to finish themselves off. 

Drano is by far the worst of all ways to try and kill yourself.

Billybob

Its been said may times before Suicide not the answer.

Oh heavens!


I think this is getting a bit out of line, and way off course!

Seeker

PeterFonda,
You need to get over to Iraq with all your buddies.  From your talk you sound just like an Islamic Fundamentalist.  Like you, they don't believe in modern psychology or therapy.  They have the minds of people living in the 12th century.
I know your not using the name of the Christian God...because that God, Jesus, let the biggest whore in Isreal wash his feet.  He teaches human redemption, not suicide.
Polyantipass,
Don't listen to the words of PeterFonda.  If there is a Satan, he is speaking through this man.  Suicide is never the answer.  You made a mistake that thousands of men make, and that a few only ever get caught for.  You looked at something that was forbidden, because the lure of the sin was so great.  If you can get in contact with a Cognitive Behavorial therapist in your area I would suggest you do so.  They teach valid techniques that help you reprogram your thinking about such deviant behaviors and thus help make you a productive member of society.   

Polyantipass,

What a sick piece of work.....You should do the right thing...Learn how to pass the Poly, not hard, then head for the woods...Take the day to see all that God has to offer, realize how sick your mind is, how your sick mind has no place on earth...Then kill yourself..Lay some child porn by you so we know it is you from the news reports.
I am sure everyone will all give you a thumbs up!!  I have read that swallowing a little Drano is painless..It might bring your fantancies to life..One final time...Good Luck...

TheNoLieGuy

Everyone here knows my views on sex offenders so there is no reason to repeat. 

The point of this post is to say: It didn't take long for your newly acquired power to show. With your punitive attitude, there is no way a parolee could stay in compliance even being completely trythful. This guy only looked at pictures, according to his posts, but you have condemed him, falsely, as being a preditor. 

I challenge you and all LE to help us, the general public, shut down and prosecute the owners of these websites that bombard us with this unwanted slime. Adult porn sites are breaking the law too. Cut off the head and the body will die. We turn these sites in to LE only to be told "there's nothing we can do. BS. The fact that they are hacking into our email is breaking the law. So, apply your anger where it will do the most good because you have no business being a polygrapher.

NoLieGuy,

On 14 March you wrote to Antipolypass, among other things:

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How is the foregoing your "former" point? Did you post here earlier under a different name? Could you tell me more about your legal theory that finds me "no less than civilly responsible" for something? Under this same theory, what "civil responsibility" would attach to polygraph operators for falsely representing polygraphy to be a valid and reliable methodology for the detection of deception when they know full well that it is fundamentally dependent on trickery and is easily defeated through the use of countermeasures that they cannot reliably detect?

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When did God tell you this?

On 15 March, you wrote, among other things:

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As Anonymous pointed out, the foregoing assertion is utter nonsense.

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When Gino Scalabrini and I created AntiPolygraph.org and published The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, we knew full well that some of the information made available here could be helpful to people trying to "beat the system." This was not, however, our motivation for creating this website.

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With regard to polygraph policy, AntiPolygraph.org is not about "beating" the system, but rather about improving it through the abolishment of the pseudoscientific fraud that is CQT polygraphy.