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Semen Gary:

Don't blame George or Gino for my mistake.  I made the error of bringing up and continuing a chain of posts on a topic that should have never been discussed on this message board.

Moreover,  if you would have paid more careful attention to the above chain of posts,  you would have noticed that George and Gino pleaded with me to take this topic elsewhere.
I eventually came to my senses and brought an end to the irrelevant topic of passing a drug test,  and also brought an end to the games I was playing.  I SPECIFICALLY did so because I thought it reflected poorly on the professionalism George and Gino have maintained on this website.

Also,  where do you see anything about teaching a person with a dope "record" how to beat the drug test in attempting to get a job with the CIA...?

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Judging from your grasp of the English language,  it is easy to understand how you became confused.

As for your comment about America,  the fact that nearly every country in the world is striving to become more and more like us is evidence enough of our greatness.  I'll bet wherever you are,  whatever country your residing in,  you can walk out onto the street you live on and find a Mcdonalds within 15 minutes.

George,  this website is only to help those who are victimised by poly.  care to explain why people are using it to teach others to pass a dope test.  a self-confessed and heavy dope user.   don't blame this one on poly cos he confessed voluntarily without anyone even asking him to.   First, LAPD waz blamed for hiring someone with records.  Now, folks are teaching somebody with dope record how to beat the dope test and join CIA.   No wonder there's so much problem in your country.  People can't decide what they want.  Is that what democracy is all about?

Once again, the marijuana topic is certainly relevant in any forum where law enforcement (and especially law enforcement hiring) is discussed. We just like to keep things organized so those late in joining the discussion can catch up.

Someone please make a marijuana related thread in the off-topic or police (non-polygraph related) forum... 

Come on people.. let's all be nice here!!!  Golly gee cats and dogs I tell ya.. Speaking of cats a pregnant cat came to my door tonight (where I work,.. I  work the graveyard shift) I fed her TacoBell and she went away.  Anyway that's besides the point.
This is somewhat related to what you guys were arguing about.  I work in an office, where there is no physical work whatsoever.  We're subject to random drug testing.  Every six weeks we have a staff meeting and someone's name is drawn.  There are about 20 of us  that work here.  I don't understand it but it's done regardless.  One person has been fired because she failed it, though it didn't harm the way she was doing her job.  Anyway first of all there's a fat loophole.  Ok the drug tests are every six weeks.  That gives everyone two free weeks to get toasted and come up clean for the drug test.  I don't do anything illegal,  I have a baby and I'm not about to jeapordize my childs well being for any reason, let alone an illegal recreational reason.  I believe marijuana should be legalized.  I am going to use the cop out everyone else uses.  When you're drunk as hell you can't drive, you puke all over  the place if you eat anything (burritos especially) you wake up sick, you can die from  alcohol poisioning, many people have gone to bed with hot people when they're drunk just  to wake up next to a freak.  Now what happens when you're high?  Who dies of a weed  overdose?  Who has gone to bed with a hot person high?? Well at least they wake up and they're still hot and not butt ass ugly.  You don't ralph up your weed, you don't have weed hangovers, and I would rather be on the road with a bunch of stoners than drunks.  All  you do when you're stoned is drive 8mph instead of 30, and you frantically look for the  nearest VP because your yearning for some Kristy Kreams is something fierce.  I have smoked my fair share of weed and drank my fair share of alcohol, I'm 22 and I have a nice paralegal job lined up for me come this summer, I have an associates degree in  paralegal, and I am working on a bachelors, majoring in English (ya I know you can't tell.. all of my paragraphs run in to one SUPERPARAGRAPH)  my point isn't to make my head any  bigger than it is already it's to point out that I am successful, and I have done recreational drugs.  People like to blame drugs when someones life goes bad.  That's a cop out.  I did  them and I had the maturity to stop when I had enough and to keep my priorities in line. I know I'm waaaaaaay off the subject but that's my two pennies worth. anyone who has read my other messages.. I took the "test" CVSA test to see if I could pass and I couldn't so I'm not pressing charges because I can't pass a damned lie detector test. CROCK OF SHIT but that's my opinion.  It's a mans world and we women simply have to exist smile, wear our short skirts to look sexy and hopefully land us a successful husband so we can get somewhere other than paralegal.. that is unless someone wants to pay my tution to  law school..?? ANYONE???
DIDN'T THINK SO!!  I guess it's still low cut tight sexy shirts and short skirts and 6 inch heels for me to get anywhere in this mans world!  Perhaps if I were a stripper??? I just conquered three subjects.  Damn I'm good!
TOODLES

Note: this message has been edited for ease of reading; hard returns at the end of each line were removed. -- AntiPolygraph.org Administrator

OK...

This BS is going to stop from here on out.

Some people--mainly myself--got too caught up in a rediculous "mind game."  It is clear that this site is not a place for such conduct.

Moreover,  I think such childish games reflect poorly on the professionalism of this site.  This site serves to educate and enlighten those who have been falsely misled into believing that the polygraph is a reliable "science."   

I owe more respect than I have shown to George and Gino...they have helped me indefinitely in coming closer in my attempt to enter a career in law enforcement.

I offer a sincere apology...

I am truly sorry.  Sometimes my alter ego gets the better of me.

Netnin,

To the extent that you have anything to contribute to the discussion of polygraphy and polygraph policy your participation is welcome here. But puerile antics contribute nothing to this discussion and are not welcome. Please cease and desist.

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AND ONCE AGAIN...ANOTHER MEMBER OF THIS SITE CANNOT RESIST ADDING ANOTHER RESPONSE,  THUS FORCING ME TO POST AGAIN.

The very reason I use IM is because I too feel this conversation is not worthy of the board.
And for the record the only reason I was asking netnin what its gender was is because she or he is using this site as a dating service. She or he wrote me a IM asking where I lived and what I looked like. Then "it" wrote "you know I'm a male".
I obviously offended "it" by asking why it mattered what I looked like.
Since then I tried to keep that conversation off the message board to spare all of the others and that is the reason I sent IMs. 
Now Netnin, I'm a male, I'm not gay, I'm not interested in knowning any more than I do (and even that is too much).
Get a job so you can have your operation to make you whatever gender you want to be. 
If I were falling into your cycle then I wouldn't have used IMs I would have continued on the board. You may think you are winning some great game but the thing is, you are only playing with yourself. Like everyone else I came to this forum to learn about polygraphs, something which I achieved based on the passsing of my first test. Maybe you should do the same. Shut up and learn. Only offer information that can help others. I would also offer a word of advice, if socialization is what you need, then try some chat rooms for people with shared interest, and Paxil. 
And because of your previous frabication of IMs, at this point, noone knows if you are being honest with any of your quotes no matter what you claim and furthermore they just don't care. please give us all one more post to show your ass.

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While your initial post does not prove you childish,  it does prove you to be oblivious.  

When are the people that have been following this chain of posts going to realize that I will not post any further messages if I don't receive any reactions?

It is so damn simple...the only reason I am responding again is because twoblock had to add yet anothercomment. 

It appears as though BEAR,  AMM,  and others who have taken part in this "battle of power," as twoblock calls it,  have realized that the way to win this game is to not respond at all,  thus beating me at my own game by not allowing me to respond to anything further.

But of course,  just when things seemed to die down,  twoblock had to throw in his two cents which were not needed. 

This game is similar to when a child (me) throws a temper-tantrum when he or she doesn't get his or her way.  As long as the parent continues to give in and crumble under the influence of the child's behavior,  the child will continue to throw a fit when he or she wants something.  

A smart parent,  however,  will realize that the way to correct this child's behavior is by giving the child no reaction (not giving in) when he or she throws a fit.

This game--regardless of how childish it is--proves one thing:
People just can't help themselves.  Plain and simple.

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It is each individual's job out there to show some restraint and prove my above assertion wrong.

Any individual who responds will surely ruin it for the whole,  and will show further disrespect for the founders of this site.

Well said TwoBlock.

Before some wisecrack, I ment to say "crap unrelated to the polygraph"

I won't recognize or qualify you by mentioning names but, those who are posting unrelated polygraph crap, please refrain. This is an antipolygraph site. Not a personal power site. You are showing great disrespect to George, Gino and others who are interested in the stated purpose. Fodors.com is a good site to vent your adolescent tripe.

And No I will not respond to any replies to this post. If I did I would be childish.

And BEAR responds yet again!

In another private message,  BEAR states:

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BEAR seems to be falling further and further into my vicious cycle of manipulation...kind of like an alcoholic that steadily falls further into drinking more and more quantity--only to continuously rationalize why he or she is doing so.

BEAR also stated:
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Funny that she is the one who can't resist, yet laughs at others for doing the same thing...seems to me that she is in a clear state of denial.

Every word a planned move...

Just to let everyone know...

I was correct in my hunch that someone was altering their identity.

I just received the following private message from Bear (and no,  this one isn't fabricated like the one I made up for DUC748...George or Gino can verify this for you):

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And since BEAR didn't want to publicly post her response,  I found it necessary to publicly display BEAR's private message because it serves to show--yet again--that I am still the king of manipulation.   

She couldn't resist responding,  but she was afraid to respond publicly because she knew it would demonstrate her falling further into my game.

Bad bad naughty girl!  "Ohh the web we weave when we deceive."  The truth has been set free.

Who is up to bat next?

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Just couldn't resist Lay...could you?

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Thanks for keeping the game alive,  and letting me put another notch on the post.

PS:  Something tells me that one of you out there keeps altering your identity.  Some of the above posts are by the same person,  but posted under different names.

"...I have just told you how to beat me at my own game...do you still feel obligated to respond again(?),  even though doing so will just prove that I am the king of manipulation?

...I was able to do it two times now because as I said,  I am the king of manipulation..."
So what is it king or queen?
You seem to have an identity crises.

Well good morning,  good afternoon,  and if I don't see you,  good evening to you too Voyeur!

So nice to see that you have been sucked in by my verbal manipulation as well.

In case you don't realize it,  my verbal manipulation comes in the form of dialogue that forces--yes,  FORCES--those who read it to add their two cents.  People just feel,  as in your case,  that they can't walk away with feeding the inferno of chaos that I create.


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Let me set you straight...you seem to be missing the point:

I had drawn all these suckers into adding their commentary to my initial post.  I started this whole string of "marijuana"  messages with the initial post I presented on how to pass the drug test.  I knew that it would serve as a controversial topic,  and considering even you had to ramble off your mouth,  I was surely correct.

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It was clear from the start that I would always want to have the last word.  AMM didn't predict anything...she was well aware of the fact that I would feel obligated to respond.   

How can something that is known be predicted? You have made it clear that you are not a person of logic.   

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I stand corrected...

Throwing you into the scenerio yields a connected title of 

"Dumb,  Dumber,  and Dumbest"

My game plays like this:  I throw a controversial topic/post into play,  and whenever anyone makes any type of response,  I consider it a victory for me.   

A response from anyone (to my initial post) is representative of the fact that I was successfully able to verbally manipulate them (and draw them in) into feeding my love for chaos.

You are totally illogical and unaware of reality if you claim that anyone has made me the sucker.  I am winning at my game,  and will only lose when someone allows me to give the last word without them (being verbally manipulated into being forced to have to respond) feeling obligated to respond yet again.   

Hence,  a response from you to this post yields a victory for me,  while no response yields a loss for me (and a victory for all others who have responded to my post).

I have just told you how to beat me at my own game...do you still feel obligated to respond again(?),  even though doing so will just prove that I am the king of manipulation?

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Let me correct you yet again...

The reason I used countermeasures on irrelevant questions was because the examiner used disguised control questions.  As soon as I was aware of that fact,  I used countermeasures correctly on only the control questions.

Let me ask you:  Do you have the balls to walk in to a polygraph agency with a tack in your shoe placed strategically so that you could walk absolutely normal,  yet be able to use it during the exam?  Probably not...

I was able to do it two times now because as I said,  I am the king of manipulation.

Go ahead...give me another victory.  Let's hear what you have to say now.

To:  Netinyahoo
From: An unbiased observer

What a lame attempt to turn the tables on AMM.  You are the sucker.  AMM predicted that you couldn’t resist, and true to form, you responded with a rambling rationalization for your lack of character.  You would rather die then let someone else have the last word.  

You also tried to bolster your position (in a very pathetic attempt, I might add) by extrapolating Bear’s agreement with you on a very narrow issue (marijuana) into support for you personally.  Incredibly, you then proceeded to flame him when he asked that you not use his quote as support for your argument.  I’m just glad that someone else noticed your pathetic post where you confessed to using countermeasures on an irrelevant.  Just how stupid are you?  Wake up and smell the irony!!!!  Here’s a person with chronic diarrhea of the mouth and delusions of grandeur that is so dumb they couldn’t tell an irrelevant from a control or relevant.  You obviously spend more time running off at the mouth than actually reading what’s on this website.  When I see your posts, I am reminded of an old saying:  “Life’s tough…but it’s tougher when you’re stupid!”

I can only imagine what your reply will be as you surely will have one!  I rarely wish ill will on anyone, but you are most deserving of it.  We see you for what you are: a lying sack who should never be placed in a position of trust.

And on the fourth day God created the "What Will Make You Fail" chain of posts that soon got out of hand...and on the the fifth day He destroyed it!

         -Graphesis

This concludes the marijuana battle.  I would think it safe for me to say that the opinions are out on the table,  and that nothing further needs to be said.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all those who participated in the "420" discussion.  This was a fun one!

My apologies to Gino and everyone else who had to read all that. At least I didn't apply countermeasures to irrelevant questions, not bad for a second grade education. I guess that makes me dumb and you simply dumber.

Gentlemen,

This discussion, although fruitful, is not exactly appropriate on this thread. 

Would one of you be so kind as to create a marijuana pro/con thread on one of the other forums. Either the off-topic posts or police (non-polygraph related) forums would be appropriate.

Once again, this discussion is certainly welcome on the message board. If we can, we like to keep things organized to make it easier for newcomers to the board to follow things.

Best,

BEAR:

What's with the incoherent gibbrish ramblings that seem to be falling from your brain to your fingertips? 

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God forbid you are as articulate in spoken word as you are in typed script...you sound like a second-grader trying your hardest to pass your first grammar quiz (and let me tell you...if that was the case,  you would surely fail with a capital F!)!

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Too late...done deal. 

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Correction hun...I used your agreement as a form of support for my argument.  Had you been the one to start the discussion on marijuana use,  and had I been the one to agree with your position,  then you could claim that I supported your argument.

If you didn't want to support my argument in any way,  then you should have never agreed with me...rather,  you should have disagreed with me.

Too late...done deal again. 

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When did I ever doubt that some people have tried to educate me?  I even went as far as saying that you were the authority on the topic of "flushing":

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I don't smoke pot...why would fire be needed to light up something that isn't there?

For God's sake,  could either you or AMM please come up with one solid argument--written in proper English--for me to ponder?  Your tag-team partnership with AMM only proves that you are both worthy of one connected title:   

DUMB AND DUMBER!

netnin, 
please do not use my quote as support for your argument. Indeed I have that view but I must say that I had this view before you (even if it wasn't made public in this forum) so in all actuality you are supporting my argument. 

As for your notion that you are sucking people into your chaos, believe it or not some may be trying to educate you not argue as I was with the lesson on "flushing". 

And as for the fire you speak of, I think maybe you are getting a little too close to that fire when you use it to fire up your joint.

AMM:

In the present chain of posts that you are now examining (above),  you will find the following support for my argument about the use of marijuana as a recreational drug.

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What would I rather receive:  1.Support made publicly by those who want to stand up and let their voices be heard in unison? or 2.Support from individuals who want their opinions expressed in privacy (for whatever reason,  including fear of rejection from the whole?)

Hmm...I think I like the former.  

As for your comments about the game-playing that I can't help myself from indulging in every now and then,  I have always made it clear that I am the type of person who enjoys posted verbal-wars and silly arguments/battles.  

Regarding my battle with Duc748,  I apologized and,  as I have done many other times,  brought to everyones attention how much I truly love controversy,  playing games,  and arguing (to no end, as in this case)  until there isn't anything left to argue about.

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I clarified my love for chaos in this chain of posts as well:
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Anyone who has taken any time to read my prior posts will know what they are getting themselves into when they partake in a dialogue with me;  this includes you AMM.    

You are just one more of the many who have been sucked in by my ability to verbally manipulate people into feeding (me and) my love for chaos.  

Let me ask you (and leave you with) a question:

Who (or what) is at fault in the following situation?

The fire that burns the person? or,

The person who plays with fire and gets burned?

You,  my friend,  have been burned....

Sucker.....

While it was my intention to “rest my case” on Ms. Netin’s rationalization, since it is clear she can’t take ANY criticism (playful or otherwise, and therein lies her self esteem “issues”), I found one comment from her significantly interesting:

“When have I ever claimed that I know everything?  I have never once made such a statement,  and have only consistently posted messages in a logical and factual manner.”

I suppose included in those “logical and factual” posts would be the ones you fabricated to slander DUC748.  What did the Administrator have to say about that on 3/1/02?  Oh, yeah:

“Netnin, to send a profane private message and then falsely deny it reflects poorly on one's judgment and credibility, but to fabricate defamatory words and falsely attribute them to others is downright slanderous. Such behavior is unwelcome here. Please cease and desist.”

Your posts and willingness to lie about them (and then rationalize those lies) speak volumes about your utter lack of character and credibility. (Maybe you have an excuse; maybe you were stoned when you wrote them.)  With that, I will end my participation and cede the floor to Ms. Netin, since I KNOW she will insist on having the last word.  Please, don’t disappoint us…I know you will never, ever be able to resist.

Oh, and by the way, I have in fact received private messages agreeing with my position on your character and personality…