https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?catselect=employment Employment Forums (Non-polygraph related) - AntiPolygraph.org Message Board en-us AntiPolygraph.org Message Board Thu, 23 Apr 2026 00:37:12 GMT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 30 https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1736424571/18#18 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Intelligence Agency Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1736424571/18#18 Wed, 31 Dec 2025 00:35:47 GMT <b>Quote:</b><br /><div>a suspicion of what? </div><br />Is quickfix DEAD? https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1761667366/0#0 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Federal Law Enforcement Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1761667366/0#0 Tue, 28 Oct 2025 16:02:46 GMT For those of you Customs & Border Protection - Border Patrol Polygraph Examiners.  <br /><br />Tom Homan, the Border Czar for the Trump administration was uninvited as a speaker at the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association Conference last week.  <br /><br />The reason might very well be the following:<br /><br /><a href="https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/judiciary-democrats-press-trump-vance-transition-team-on-homan-50000-bribery-scandal-who-knew-about-it-when-did-they-know-it-and-why-was-homan-appointed-border-czar-anyway" target="_blank">https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/judiciary-democrats-press-trump-vance-transition-team-on-homan-50000-bribery-scandal-who-knew-about-it-when-did-they-know-it-and-why-was-homan-appointed-border-czar-anyway</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/10/nonprofit-sues-fbi-and-doj-for-withholding-video-in-alleged-bribery-case/" target="_blank">https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/10/nonprofit-sues-fbi-and-doj-for-withholding-video-in-alleged-bribery-case/</a><br /><br /> https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1738048468/8#8 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Police,  Sheriffs',  and Corrections Departments Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1738048468/8#8 Tue, 12 Aug 2025 20:54:45 GMT Can you present this table as an organized grid? An image would also be fine.<br />Scale Membership and Scored Direction of Items<br /><br />[The table that appeared here has been removed in response to a copyright claim received from LaShonda Morris of Pearson Education, Inc. <i>--AntiPolygraph.org Administrator</i>]<br /><br />If you have a manual for interpreting and calculating the results, complete with T scores, I would be very grateful if you could share it.<br /><br />In return, I can also make myself useful as much as possible. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1738543781/2#2 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Police,  Sheriffs',  and Corrections Departments Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1738543781/2#2 Tue, 22 Jul 2025 07:29:55 GMT It's time to score the 16PF 5th edition!<br /><br />Try the attached experimental scoring script. It's just an html file that you can save and run from any browser. Everything is saved locally to your computer. Select your responses to each question and then click "Score Test". The results and scoring will show up after that. The script will provide the raw score and sten (t) score as well as a simple graphical representation of the dimensions.<br /><br />Note: Keep in mind this is for educational and experimental use only. It's for testing and research purposes as the scores, scales, and scoring have not yet been validated and may not be accurate. It's just to demonstrate how a simple scoring script would work and how the results are affected by different response combinations. Just change the answers to any questions and click "Score Test" again and the scores will change. The scoring script is designed to remove the mystery and mystique around standardized multiple choice psychological testing.  <br /><br />Also uploaded here for testing functionality and research (HTML file can be uploaded to any hosting provider).<br /><br /><a href="https://16pf_5e_scoring_v4_-_copy.pagelet.host" target="_blank">https://16pf_5e_scoring_v4_-_copy.pagelet.host</a> https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1748983757/1#1 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Intelligence Agency Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1748983757/1#1 Wed, 4 Jun 2025 07:09:43 GMT Clearancejobs.com also runs an active forum for discussion of security clearance-related topics, including polygraph screening:<br /><br /><a href="https://discuss.clearancejobsblog.com/" target="_blank">https://discuss.clearancejobsblog.com/</a> https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1743294351/0#0 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Federal Law Enforcement Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1743294351/0#0 Sun, 30 Mar 2025 00:25:51 GMT Saw this on Reddit a few weeks ago, but of course moderators quickly took it down.<br /><br />Any truth to these changes coming soon?<br /><br /><a href="https://imgur.com/a/FNCS0Gz" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/a/FNCS0Gz</a><br /><br /><a href="https://imgur.com/MQbi3dH" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/MQbi3dH</a> https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1738126603/3#3 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Federal Law Enforcement Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1738126603/3#3 Thu, 30 Jan 2025 05:31:46 GMT I don't know what admission you made on your prior polygraph (and I <b>don't</b> recommend posting it here), or to what extent it was truly relevant. But if you contradict yourself in the polygraph suite, I think that could end up being (justifiable) grounds for disqualification. If you'd like to discuss this privately, you can reach me via <a href="https://signal.org" target="_blank">Signal</a> at ap_org.01.<br /><br />Regarding countermeasures, note that there is no evidence that polygraph operators have any ability to detect the kinds of countermeasures outlined in <i>The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.</i> Nonetheless, it would be prudent to avoid physical movement while connected to the polygraph instrument. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1051733110/11#11 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Police,  Sheriffs',  and Corrections Departments Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1051733110/11#11 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 11:31:23 GMT <b>Quote:</b><br /><div>Does anyone know if they drug test the same time as the polygraph test? I've only done the delta pen, but it's been about 3-4 weeks since I've done it (which was before I even applied). I said no to all the illegal drug use questions on the pre-employment questionnaire (because the delta pen is not illegal; you just get it from the local gas station lol), but I'm afraid I'll fail the drug test because of it. But if I reschedule the polygraph test, I feel like it would look sus or they just won't reschedule and that's it.  </div><br /><br />Every time I have taken an initial pre-employment polygraph for federal agencies, the drug test was given the same day either before or after the poly.  Kind of like a surprise.  It has always been a piss test though the CIA also will draw your blood and test for HIV, but they don't tell you this.  I have never had a hair follicle test for drugs but if you are worried just shave your head bald. <br /><br />You can pass a piss test for THC if you are clean for 30 days. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1482882158/7#7 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Intelligence Agency Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1482882158/7#7 Sun, 5 May 2024 21:22:32 GMT Just when you thought CSIS reached rock bottom, they took a page right from the RCMP sexual assault lawsuit playbook.<br /><br /><b>CSIS had officer investigated after she reported a superior raped her<br />Investigation into victim concluded alleged attacks were 'misuse' of agency vehicles by the woman</b><br /><br />A CSIS officer's allegation that she was raped repeatedly by a superior in agency vehicles set off a harassment inquiry, but also triggered an investigation into her that concluded the alleged attacks were a "misuse" of agency vehicles by the woman.<br /><br />Source: <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/investigation-csis-sex-assualt-victim-1.7186494" target="_blank">https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/investigation-csis-sex-assualt-victim-1.7186494</a><br /><br />She is the same officer whose sexual assault allegations in a story published by The Canadian Press prompted public pledges of reform last year from David Vigneault, the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.<br /><br />The officer said she was never told she was the subject of an investigation, or that it concluded she committed misconduct by using "service equipment" to conduct what the investigator's report said was a "romantic relationship with a colleague."<br /><br />The woman said she believed the investigation was reprisal for her rape complaint, and she only found out about the probe this year, 10 months after its conclusion, when she made an access-to-information request for her personal information held by the service.<br /><br />She said she "absolutely was not" in a consenting relationship with the other officer.<br /><br />The five-page "management report" by an outside party, which the officer provided to The Canadian Press, says they were retained by CSIS on Nov. 18, 2021 to investigate "allegations of misconduct against" the woman.<br /><br />That was eight days after she had formally alleged to CSIS that she was raped nine times by an officer decades older than her, who had been assigned to mentor her on surveillance missions as her "road coach."<br /><br />The woman cannot be named because of a law banning identification of covert officers, but she is called "Jane Doe" in a previous lawsuit against the government.<br /><br />Lawsuit documents filed in British Columbia by two Canadian Security Intelligence Service surveillance officers. The anonymized lawsuits by officers identified as "Jane Doe" and "A.B." describe alleged sexual assaults, harassment and other wrongdoing in the B.C. office of Canada's spy agency. The women, who are on leave from the service, are forbidden by law from identifying themselves or other covert officers. (Graeme Roy/The Canadian Press)<br />She and another surveillance officer in the CSIS British Columbia office said they were both sexually assaulted in service vehicles by the same senior officer while on missions between July 2019 to spring 2021. Jane Doe said that on one occasion, a mission failed because her coach broke off surveillance of a target to drive to a parking garage to rape her.<br /><br />"This report is such an incredible violation," Jane Doe said of the investigation into her.<br /><br />She called the management report "the exact definition of a reprisal," which she told an investigator in 2022 was her fear when she delayed reporting the allegations. At the time, she said she believed she was being interviewed as part of an investigation into her alleged attacker, not herself.<br /><br />Jane Doe said her complaint was the only reason CSIS became aware of her own alleged misconduct.<br /><br />"What would I have to gain from making up a fake complaint to draw attention to myself and all of the code-of-conduct things that I apparently breached?" she asked.<br /><br />"It doesn't make any sense, so the fact that that report is allowed to even exist shows that I didn't have a fighting chance in hell," she said of her attempts to get justice for her complaint.<br /><br />Jane Doe said she was told by a federal labour relations officer that she was not informed about the report because she was on leave when it was handed down and CSIS believed she should be focused on her well-being.<br /><br />An email from the labour officer on Tuesday, which Jane Doe shared with The Canadian Press, says the report was not "intentionally hidden."<br /><br />Jane Doe is currently on long-term disability leave, due to being diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder.<br /><br />Asked about the investigation into the woman, CSIS spokesperson Eric Balsam issued a statement saying: "Immediately upon learning of the allegations of inappropriate workplace behaviour, CSIS launched a third-party investigation without delay."<br /><br />He said that in situations where "harassment, discrimination or misconduct" have been found to have occurred, disciplinary action "up to the termination of employment" would be decided by a discipline committee.<br /><br />When asked to confirm that the complainant had herself been investigated, Balsam said "the situation is complex and sensitive" and "it would be inappropriate for CSIS to comment further on specific labour relations issues."<br /><br />Claims of toxic workplace at CSIS absolutely 'devastating,' PM says<br />B.C. Supreme Court dismisses sexual assault lawsuit from former CSIS employee due to lack of jurisdiction<br />Matt Malone, an assistant law professor at Thomson Rivers University who has handled hundreds of complaints as a workplace investigator, said Jane Doe's treatment was "mind-boggling."<br /><br />Making a workplace harassment complaint is a "protected activity," Malone said, and complainants who become targets of investigations without their knowledge are in "a very vulnerable position."<br /><br />"They are not aware that their conduct might undermine the integrity of the investigation," he said. "It raises so many difficult questions."<br /><br />Both Jane Doe and the other officer who said she was assaulted have said they did not feel they could go to police because the CSIS Act banned identifying themselves or their alleged attacker as covert officers, an action punishable by up to five years in prison. The women, who are both still employed by CSIS, said a flawed internal complaint process left victims vulnerable to retaliation.<br /><br />When the women's claims came to light last November, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called them "devastating" and said his government was following up "very directly."<br /><br />Days after the story was published, Vigneault called a town hall meeting for all 3,000-plus CSIS staff about the women's allegations, which he said left him "deeply troubled." He told staff the alleged rapist had left the service the day before the meeting and that he was ordering the "urgent" creation of an ombudsperson's office to handle workplace problems "without fear of reprisal."<br /><br />Vigneault also said the agency would release annual public reports on harassment and wrongdoing in the agency.<br /><br />There was no mention that Jane Doe had been put under investigation.<br /><br />Investigation made officer 'nauseous'<br />The outside investigator's "final report" into Jane Doe is dated April 12, 2023, but she said she only found out about it this February.<br /><br />She said discovering the investigation made her "nauseous." She said that when she read that the investigators had been retained to look into her conduct eight days after her rape complaint, she thought it was a typo.<br /><br />"I don't know if they have been investigating me basically since I submitted the complaint or if this was a reaction to the investigation," she said. "Regardless, I didn't know that they were doing it, even though it claims that I did."<br /><br />The misconduct report is heavily redacted. But it concludes Jane Doe breached the service's code of conduct due to "inappropriate use of service equipment while on duty" and withholding "information from management regarding a romantic relationship with a colleague."<br /><br />It quotes her alleged attacker as saying he is "sorry that a consensual relationship resulted in improper use of government (redacted) and time."<br /><br />The report says Jane Doe did not report the "relationship" over "fear of reprisals," quoting her as indicating that she "was afraid of how it would affect my employment in the service, how it (would) affect my reputation and my ability to continue working there, and I was not mentally and emotionally in a position to accept what had happened."<br /><br />The report says her alleged breaches of CSIS' conduct policy "surfaced in the context of a harassment investigation."<br /><br />Investigator didn't ask for specifics<br />She told The Canadian Press that during her 2022 interview, the investigator didn't ask her for any specifics about the alleged sexual assaults, which she had documented in her complaint with dates, times and locations.<br /><br />At the time, she said, she thought the investigator was being considerate.<br /><br />"I even thanked him at the end of it for not asking because it was still a very new thing for me to talk about and I was so nervous and so uncomfortable," she said.<br /><br />Now, understanding that she was being investigated, she said it felt like she was put in "a trap."<br /><br />The lack of specifics in that interview was "weird," she said, because "there were so many things that he didn't want to know."<br /><br />"It was like he wasn't asking so that he didn't have to have the answer, so that he wouldn't have to include that in any of his findings, so the less he knows the better," she said.<br /><br />She said the "evidence" the report relied upon to conclude that the relationship was consensual, including the other officer's claims and pictures of the two together outside work, were "lies."<br /><br />"So, him and I were in a photograph, a group photograph, together. Did that prove I wanted to have sex with him at work?" she said.<br /><br />A glass and concrete building featuring the sign "The Law Courts".<br />The B.C. Supreme Court dismissed Jane Doe's lawsuit against the federal government, claiming constructive dismissal and seeking damages. It did not rule on her allegations but found she hadn't exhausted CSIS internal complaint mechanisms. (Darryl Dyck/The Canadian Press)<br />Malone said that whether an employer's actions against a person who lodged a complaint could be considered "retaliatory" depends on many factors, including the time between the two actions, or "temporal proximity."<br /><br />"Adverse actions following an employee complaint that come within a short time frame might suggest that there's retaliatory motive on the part of the employer," he said. "In this case, temporal proximity is a major factor, because it's mere days."<br /><br />Malone said it's standard practice to inform an employee if they're under investigation to let them respond. Jane Doe said she believes the service breached its own policy by failing to inform her.<br /><br />Malone, who reviewed the CSIS "Breaches of Conduct" policy, said he was "shocked" by what he called a "clear deviation from their own policy."<br /><br />"But beyond that, it's a deviation from due process and fair procedure," he said.<br /><br />The service's policy says employees under investigation must be notified about the nature of the allegations against them, be given a chance to respond, be notified if they're found in breach and be given a copy of the report. Jane Doe said none of that happened.<br /><br />"I can't defend myself against something that I don't know anything about," she said.<br /><br />The B.C. Supreme Court dismissed Jane Doe's lawsuit against the federal government, claiming constructive dismissal and seeking damages, in September 2023. It did not rule on her allegations but found she hadn't exhausted CSIS internal complaint mechanisms.<br /><br />She said she has now abandoned plans to appeal and is exploring CSIS's formal grievance procedures.<br /><br />"It's already been my life for over two years and the damage that it's done to my mental health. And my career, obviously, is now non-existent, and I don't see myself being able to get that back on track with this hanging over my head," she said.<br /><br />"They just wear you down until you can't take it anymore. I'm sure I'm not the first and I'm sure I won't be the last."<br /><br />The lawsuit by the second officer who says she was sexually assaulted has not received a response from CSIS. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1691108167/9#9 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Military Recruitment and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1691108167/9#9 Thu, 11 Jan 2024 11:03:27 GMT <b>Quote:</b><br /><div>Actually, I just found this:<br /><a href="https://therecord.media/fbi-document-shows-what-data-can-be-obtained-from-encrypted-messaging-apps" target="_blank">https://therecord.media/fbi-document-shows-what-data-can-be-obtained-from-encrypted-messaging-apps</a><br /><br />It shows exactly what info the feds can get from messaging apps.  It looks like Telegram is the most secure and Signal is the second-most secure.  I guess Wenheng Zhao and Jinchao Wei must have been using some other messaging service that was less secure.  Fools.<br /> </div><br /><br />Telegram is not more secure than Signal. The opposite is true. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1691026963/4#4 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Police,  Sheriffs',  and Corrections Departments Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1691026963/4#4 Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:00:29 GMT <b><span>MMPI-2 Full Test free plus interpretation materials.</span><!--highlight--></b> <span>This is the most sophisticated free version of the MMPI2. It has all possible updated scales and a visual display chart.</span><!--highlight--> In other words it charts the results with fancy charts.<br /><br />This is the real deal scoring htm script which also has a graphical view. Scales are updated and corrected.<br /><br /><a href="https://anonymfile.com/DarK1/mmpi2-copy.zip" target="_blank">https://anonymfile.com/DarK1/mmpi2-copy.zip</a><br /><br />Backup:<br /><br /><a href="https://gofile.cc/X1Ka/mmpi2-copy.zip" target="_blank">https://gofile.cc/X1Ka/mmpi2-copy.zip</a><br /><br />Just unzip all the files in the folder archive and run the "keyed but not scored htm" file in a browser like chrome.<br /><br />The PDFs are educational materials:<br /><br />Quick interpretation guide is 0 MMPI2 INTERPRETATION GUIDE - Copy<br /><br />Others are:<br />ASSESSMENT OF SELF-REPORT RESPONSE DISTORSION - Copy<br />MMPI2 RC Scales - Copy<br />Problem of Invalid MMPI-2 in LEO Selection - Copy<br />Sample Profile mmpi-2-adult-revised-personnel-law-enforcement - Copy<br />Sample Profile mmpi2law-enf-interp - Copy<br /><br />There is no virus just some annoying ads on the upload site.<br /><br />This particular version doesn't exist anywhere else and all scales are corrected and updated. I challenge you to find a scoring error on any of the scales or items. <br /><br />If you found the materials useful please leave a comment or suggestion. <br /><br />For educational use only.<br /> https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1090446697/8#8 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Federal Law Enforcement Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1090446697/8#8 Mon, 8 May 2023 21:54:18 GMT How long does it take to receive the Conditional Job Offer?, I've been waiting for almost three weeks now. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1022537002/9#9 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Police,  Sheriffs',  and Corrections Departments Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1022537002/9#9 Wed, 26 Apr 2023 14:30:06 GMT There still is no excuse for getting so personal with sex question. Ok drugs etc questions are understandable, but this is out of hand. <br /><br /><a href="https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1022537002/5#5">dimas wrote</a> on Jul 1^st, 2002 at 10:03am:<br /><div id="3F32363A285B03">  I truly believe that many of these questions are intended to help them "weed out" any sexual offenders, or more importantly sexual predators who may use their newly acquired position of authority to take advantage of someone.  I can see the importance in trying to keep these people out of law enforcement, especially every night when I kiss my wife good bye and go off to work.  It is ufortunate, but in the particular county I work in, a few years back some deputies were arrested for pulling women over and raping them.  We unfortunately must now pay for the mistakes of sick people like these, in the form of ridiculously intrusive and personal questions given to us by equally sick polygraphers who seem to get off on laying their holier than thou morality upon us because they apparently never masturbate or share some drinks with their significant other  and then have sex with them.   </div><!--3F32363A285B03--><br /> https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1654776501/3#3 AntiPolygraph.org Message Board/Federal Law Enforcement Applications,  Hiring,  and Employment https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1654776501/3#3 Fri, 10 Jun 2022 05:32:00 GMT You'll find the chat room at:<br /><br /><a href="https://chat.antipolygraph.org" target="_blank">https://chat.antipolygraph.org</a><br />