{"id":4472,"date":"2021-07-29T01:12:43","date_gmt":"2021-07-29T06:12:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/?p=4472"},"modified":"2026-05-16T13:22:02","modified_gmt":"2026-05-16T18:22:02","slug":"former-nsa-polygraph-division-chief-says-polygraphs-should-not-be-the-deciding-factor-in-visa-determinations-for-afghan-interpreters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/2021\/07\/29\/former-nsa-polygraph-division-chief-says-polygraphs-should-not-be-the-deciding-factor-in-visa-determinations-for-afghan-interpreters\/","title":{"rendered":"Former NSA Polygraph Division Chief Says Polygraphs Should Not Be the Deciding Factor in Visa Determinations for Afghan Interpreters"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"entry\">\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/thomas-p-mauriello-newsy-2021-07-28.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/thomas-p-mauriello-newsy-2021-07-28-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4473\" srcset=\"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/thomas-p-mauriello-newsy-2021-07-28-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/thomas-p-mauriello-newsy-2021-07-28-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/thomas-p-mauriello-newsy-2021-07-28-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/thomas-p-mauriello-newsy-2021-07-28.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption>Thomas P. Mauriello<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20210702193753\/https:\/\/ccjs.umd.edu\/facultyprofile\/mauriello\/thomas-p\">Thomas P. Mauriello<\/a>, who once headed the NSA&#8217;s Polygraph Division, tells Newsy national security reporter <a href=\"https:\/\/sashaingber.com\/\">Sasha Ingber<\/a> that while he thinks the U.S. government should use polygraphs, they alone shouldn&#8217;t be the determining factor in decision-making. Mauriello&#8217;s remarks came in the context of a video report titled, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newsy.com\/stories\/afghan-interpreters-denied-visas-after-failed-tests\/\">&#8220;Ex-Polygraph Chief: Polygraphs Need Not Deny Afghan Interpreters Visas.&#8221;<\/a> The following is a transcript excerpt:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Are Afghan interpreters who risked their lives to help U.S. forces now being consigned to death because of a flawed test?<\/p><p>&#8220;They just told me, &#8216;you failed the polygraph test,'&#8221; Afghan interpreter Omid Mahmoodi said.<\/p><p>Many tell Newsy they&#8217;ve been denied Special Immigrant Visas after failing the required polygraph.<\/p><p>&#8220;The use of the polygraph has been very helpful, but it&#8217;s unfair many times&#8221; Tom Mauriello, Former Chief of Polygraph at the Department of Defense said.<\/p><p>This all comes as the U.S. troop withdrawal in Afghanistan is almost complete and the Taliban is gaining ground.<\/p><p>All the reason, Mauriello says, a polygraph shouldn&#8217;t make-or-break an interpreter&#8217;s chances of coming to the U.S.<\/p><p>&#8220;Should the government be using it? Yes,&#8221; Mauriello said. &#8220;But they should be using it as a tool, among other things, so if they&#8217;re not successful on a polygraph test, but they&#8217;ve done an extensive background investigation and there&#8217;s no reason to have any concerns or problem, they should weigh those two things and then decide whether a person should have access or be approved for whatever they&#8217;re being evaluated for.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Newsy additionally sought comment from the federal polygraph school, the <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20210810212257\/http:\/\/www.ncca.mil\/\">National Center for Credibility Assessment<\/a>, which did not respond to its calls or emails.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/george-w-maschke-newsy-2021-07-28.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/george-w-maschke-newsy-2021-07-28-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4474\" srcset=\"https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/george-w-maschke-newsy-2021-07-28-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/george-w-maschke-newsy-2021-07-28-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/george-w-maschke-newsy-2021-07-28-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/antipolygraph.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/george-w-maschke-newsy-2021-07-28.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption>George W. Maschke<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ingber also spoke with AntiPolygraph.org co-founder George Maschke about the policy of denying visas to Afghans who served with U.S. forces based on polygraph results:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;It is, in fact, a cop-invented pseudoscience,&#8221; former Intelligence Officer George Maschke said. &#8220;The claim that polygraph has no scientific basis is supported by the National Academy of Sciences, which conducted an exhaustive review of the scientific evidence on polygraphs and in its&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalacademies.org\/news\/polygraph-testing-too-flawed-for-security-screening\" target=\"_blank\">2002 report<\/a>&nbsp;&#8216;The Polygraph and Lie Detection&#8217; expressly recommended against polygraph screening by federal agencies.&#8221;<\/p><p>Polygraphs aren&#8217;t admissible evidence in most courtrooms. The major exception is New Mexico. So why are they being used here?<\/p><p>&#8220;I feel it&#8217;s unconscionable that the United states government is denying evacuation to Afghans who served honorably with our forces simply because they failed a polygraph test,&#8221; Maschke continued. &#8220;And I think it would be appropriate for President Biden to take executive action to reverse that policy immediately.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The entire video report may be viewed below:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"video-responsive\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Ex-Polygraph Chief: Polygraphs Need Not Deny Afghan Interpreters Visas\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/MDhO-FTngiE?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thomas P. 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