Could someone please explain to me what the best way is to try and pass the Relevant/Irrelevant Technique,  and why it is believed that your suggested method might work?

I know all about countermeasures,  and how to use them,  but I don't understand the theory behind the Rel/Irr Technique,  and so I don't understand where the countermeasures should be used.

I have heard suggestions that one should either:  Use countermeasures on the Irrelevant questions, or:  Use countermeasures on a different set of relevant questions on each seperate chart.

Is there any evidence that one of the methods above works better than the other?   

Could someone please explain to me what the rational is behind augmenting ones responses to a different set of relevant questions on each chart?

The reason I am inquiring is because I might be facing a rel/irr test in the near future,  and I would hate to use some method that has no basis or support.

Any response would be greatly appreciated,

Netninio

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Yes or no, would telling the truth guarantee he passes?

Yes or no, will the polygrapher tell the truth to the examinee before, during and after his exam?

What is a word for someone who insists others tell the truth whilst he or she lies to others?

h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e

Dave, aka Beech Trees

PDD-Fed,

You wrote in part:

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Which procedures do you have in mind here?

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I think if you take an objective look at what the core users of this site are doing, you'll see that it is much more than "venting...hurt feelings." Our criticisms of polygraphy are also on an intellectual level, and your continued participation in the discussions here is welcome.

Based on what PDD-Fed wrote in his last post, I would want him giving me the poly. I'm sorry and I don't mean to take sides but out of all the posts I have read authored by polygraphers, he seems to be the most non-biased and straight forward (if his post is honest). I don't understand however if someone "says what's on their mind" and it doesn't dq them what is the point of the poly? Or do you poly them about what they said was on their mind?  If you do (the latter) then to me your post loses credibility because once again you are trusting the poly. If you don't then once again I don't understand how your tool is valuable. I do wish if the poly is to be used you would set the standard for the industry.

Mr. Beechtrees,

You said...

"You do? You inform the test subject that the stim test is nothing more than a card game, a simple flim-flam designed to convince him that you can actually divine truth or falsehood?"

No, I tell him that I administer this part of the test to convince him that he responds when he lies on the exam.  Then, when I show him that the largest response on the entire chart is to the number he chose (and yes, it really is most of the time), then he/she is usually convinced.  Where is the "flim-flam?  By the way, when his response is not clearly discernable (sp) from the rest (rare, but it does happen), I still show him the chart and explain that the number he chose was not particularlly significant to him....

By the way, I have NEVER used "cards".  We don't use "cards" in the government....

Trickery?  No trickery here...

"You actually tell your test subject that you expect him to lie with regard to his responses to the Control Questions, and that you will take those responses and compare them against the reponses recorded during the Relavent Questions?"

I don't use "comparision" questions.  If you truly understood polygraph as well as you try to convice these readers you do, then you would know that comparison question testing is only ONE form of polygraph.  I don't compare anything against anything.  It's you against yourself in my test.  I just hold the microphone while you sing....

"You tell your test subject that polygraphy is not science, and has no more accuracy than a coin-toss?"

I have read all the strings on this site betwen those who quote the "pro" polygraph research and those who quote the "anti" polygraph research.  I am not a researcher.  All I know is I run the test, you fail, and you then tell me about about the young girl you and your college buddies got drunk and raped.  Then you DO NOT get the position of special trust and confidence you clearly do not deserve...What's the problem???

"You tell your test subject that both in the eyes of science and of the law, polygraph is not a science, cannot be considered a fact finding tool, and is virtually worthless for determing truth from falsehood?"

I'm not so sure I agree with you on that point.  Please refer to my last paragraph...

Perhaps I misjudged you then.

I think you have...

PDD-Fed

P.S.  Many of the folks on this site are fond of saying that polygraph examiners have no more than a high school education.  Well, I can't talk for all the examiners in the entire world, but to be a polygraph examiner in the U.S. government, you must have a minimum of a B.A. degree.  I happen to have a masters, as do MANY other federal examiners (Many of them in the academic field of Forensic Psychophysiology).

PDD Fed,

Be careful, you're getting roped in by some pretty slick folks.  You gotta know that no matter what you say these guys are, one, not going to buy into it; and two, going to try and break it right off in a particular protion of your anatomy that falls between the thighs and the tailbone.

You see, guys like Beech Nut and Deputy Daug will attack you with a vengance and then Mr. M enters in with a real nice guy, hey lets just talk polygraph approach, kind of like the "good cop/bad cop" routine.  These guys are as good as any polygraph examiner I've ever run up against.   

Just a word to the wise!

Batman

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At last, your true motive becomes clear.

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Will you be contacting the suitable officials and politicians in Philly about their recent policy change? Surely such an egregious error on their part (BANNING polygraph interrogations as part of the employee selection process) would warrant immediate and decisive action on your part, wouldn't it?

PDD-Fed and Batman,

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